Instamums in the Telegraph

[caperberries]

Is there a new thread about this?

Sharing on public sites is another thing and I’m not sure parents should do that at all

• the language is interesting. We are shaping this collectively. No one says categorically, it’s soft I’m not sure. At least it’s being talked about tg

There’s a reticence even on here from hq (for various reasons) to talk about it. When Mn is a parenting site, but definitely not separate from influencers and brands that have interests in it

It’s hard to find the space and language but it’s getting there

Sparkle that sounds really terrible

I'll eat my hat if MOD's temporary flounce isn't a very carefully advised / curated rebranding exercise / move of the family focus to the FOD account instead (surely they must dilute each other's branding potential?). There's no way it isn't part of a carefully strategised business decision.

*Guardian article today

The 'sharent' trap – should you ever put your children on social media?*

The comments are interesting!

To be honest I am not sure who is worse, the parents shamelessly monetising their children via their product placing 'aspirational living' blogs or the shower of witless morons who subscribe to their staged smug middle class perfect life bollocks.

The comments are much more strident, interesting

People that do it get a big audience who they can self justify to at least now there’s a place for people who don’t to say what they think

I bet Jackie

Agree with @jackiereacher

Thank goodness for the Guardian. Given the press analysis, shouldn't it be fod closing his account?

Given the press analysis, shouldn't it be fod closing his account?

"Just cant resist.........one more free holiday..........must have new Nutri ninja........must upgrade sofa.........I'm a shameless media whore.........."

sparkle who was the IGer shouting about MNer being a liar about her event? It’s either Natasha B or Wee Slice. Fact there’s a choice for shouty swearer instamum is not ringing endorsement for whole group. Sort yourselves out ladies. And don’t ever let your events be reviewed on Trip Advisor.

It was weeslice sugar

What is interesting is the comment about sharing children (not sure if it was a pp or comment on an article) saying that the only people who seeming to think this level of sharing children and monetising was ok, was the people who are doing it. It made me think about people coming here to discuss and on the whole the posters here share similar concerns about the exposure of children and current unknown future implications.
There's a poster who frequently pops up maintaining that essentially the concern for children is faux concern hiding the fact that all posters here actually want to do is bitch and that the undercurrents are unpleasant and unkind. I find those comments irritating because some of these acccounts do things worthy of discussion aside from the ethics around use of children, but fundamentally the use of children is bothersome.
These children are now in national newspapers, this is outside of the Instagram bubble, and lets be honest they are not favourable articles. Other children from school may be aware of the details and have parent conversations -'why can't you do that and we can go to Disneyland for work?' 'No darling we are not prepared to sell you unlike some...' who knows of the impact on the innocent children in this.
There seems to be a majority who feel like this exposure is not ok, so I don't agree that voicing concern is false.
Children in advertising in other areas cannot be traced to their school, family home, area, and their work is 'their work' and monies will be paid to them (or however it's properly managed)
It is grabby and greedy. I do like unmumsy's honesty on the situation but I don't think that excuses some of the decisions made.

The story she did is quite sad actually, her kids are running after her crying and she’s running away so she can tell ‘us’ all this

I totally agree it is probably part of a tactic to sort out the accounts.

I unfollowed mum and dad of triplets too. It's very samey and it makes me uncomfortable knowing so much!

I'd love to know what kind of professional background these instagrammers come from

I worked as a chalet girl. Clients filled in questionnaires on the way back to the airport - either annonymously or with names on

I have done loads of training seminars and we give out annonymous feeeback forms there. I would be mortified to hear that a client felt unwelcome or ignored. A big part of the seminar is speaking to everyone before and after and making sure no one is sitting on their own awkardly. I certainly wouldn't be ranting about it publically after......"there were 45 people there..... (ie I can pretty much work out which one of you disloyal bastards this was)

If weeslice had one ounce of insight, she would realise that the reason people only guve gushing feeeback to her face is because she turns into a ranting [insert appropriate epiethet] when someone actually provides some honest and actually quite sad feedback

#bekind weeslice

I think that it is really interesting about using our kids to sell things. It is something I do and have done.

My children are growing up with a digital footprint that they didn't create.

I had this conversation with the BBC a couple of months ago. www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43796526

My boys' are older now - 11 and 13 and they approve what images I use on social media and have seen all of the others and I have told them that I will happily take any down that they don't approve of. Thankfully I have always been mindful of their privacy and used pseudonyms (Maxi and Mini (yes like sanitary pads) which came from being active on Mumsnet before being a blogger. I have never posted potty pictures as they have always made me cringe.

Also, they are pretty savvy and insist on being paid for work they do for me!

I am just small fry on Instagram and not aspiring enough to get the followers. There is obviously a market for accounts that share pictures of their children as they get huge followings.

Exactly.. It's the same as the people who have DM'd saying that they are too nervous to post their thoughts on certain people's IG posts for fear of being the hounded by the instamums fangirls.

Bored there is a big vested interest in keeping people quiet
After all what have we got to gain (nothing personally advantageous)
And they to lose (money)

I do think it’s telling they people say oh I’ll stop in a few years - when I’ve milked the children’s cuteness.
Why not stop now. I wonder if anyone will have the integrity to do that

Pan that made me laugh

the guardian article and the other article both say that neither fod or mod wanted to comment, suggesting that they can’t/won’t/don’t know how to justify what it is they do.

Quite adidas

"Oh thank you so much, Wee Slice for not speaking to your mate Susie Verril (who was probably there for free) the whole time and for being in the same room as us paying plebs. We're not worthy"

It's worthy of satire

Interesting that MP is off to see MOD today, MP is a good friend to have at this time I think.

I can't work out if I'm pleased the issue of sharing children on social media is now being discussed in national media, or a little disappointed that no media outlet has picked up on the other major issue of what I now call 'unsociable media' - the sniping, trolling, bullying stuff versus 'bekind' ethos and never there be anything in between. I feel instamum has been let off lightly really as she came off due to the comments getting out of control. I think instamums need to remember they do have a position of power and currently if anyone dare question them their followers (and them on some cases) come down on them like a ton of bricks. Bullying online is a major major issue that should have been picked up by the media too.

And actually in terms of PR, I think she's made a genius decision to come off. Let the dust settle. Come back on. As you were.

Bored I’d come to the conclusion after reading on here and the articles in the press it is only influencers and their fans that think using children for monetary gain is ok. I’ve not seen one single person not involved say yes no problem. Everyone btl is against it. That’s 100% against.
The wee slice story was really weird. All that running with her children while yelling on the phone was it that urgent? Anyway it was taken down almost immediately.
Also ( sorry ) rarely mentioned is potential litigation from children when they realise what their parents have done, like it isn’t happening now. It is happening. 3 cases I have seen in the press. The worst being a 16 year old boy ended up in court as his parents wouldn’t take down photos ( his whole childhood ) from Facebook. Resulting in parents being ordered by the court to remove them and fined £10,000 euros if they put another photo of the son up. ( for each )
Another one where a son is demanding 250 000 Canadian dollars ( or about it was last year ) from his parents in compensation for sharing his whole life online.
This is definitely already happening.

MoD is very lucky that Laura Hesketh is not doing a sad face in the Daily Mail

@800msprint I wonder if she's actually pr'd it to the papers herself? There are a lot more people aware of FOD's account today