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To try to access dd’s phone messages?

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CosyLulu · 22/05/2018 06:25

Dd is 15.5, currently very depressed and off school (3 months) with severe social anxiety. At a social anxiety group, organised by her CAMHS team she got friendly with a boy who is 18 and hasn’t been in school for nearly 2 years.

As they are both at home all day they literally message non-stop. They don’t stop for mealtimes, movies, family gatherings etc. They message until 3am or later some nights. I have talked to dd about this so many times and all that happens is her getting incredibly upset.

Early on, he announced to her that he was in love with her but she made it clear to him that she didn’t feel the same way and I don’t think she does fancy him - dd is 5,9 and he is 5,3 and v small for his age. This doesn’t appeal to her she says it makes her feel awkward.

However they are v touchy-feely together, makes dh and I v uncomfortable and he has tried to talk to the boy about it. It’s hard to talk to either of them as they are both so depressed and anxious. Dh and I have vowed never to leave them home alone together nor to allow them to use dd’s room together.

I’ve never read dd’s diary or seen her phone messages but a couple of weeks ago I saw her diary - she’d brought it in to the lounge to show me a picture she’d drawn. As I’m generally extremely worried about her, I read it. There was a lot of v troubling stuff about her depression but also that this boy had asked her to give him a “hand job” and she didn’t “know how to do it.” I came clean and told her I’d read it and that it was not right for him to ask her to do it, especially as they are supposedly just friends. She made some v weird excuses about friends helping each other out Confused

Anyway lately the boy is trying to persuade dd to go to hs house where they have to be alone in his room as he says the downstairs is messy and chaotic (big family) and they have 2 cats - dd highly allergic to cats.

I have said no. I feel that dd is too naive and too vulnerable at the moment to find herself in a situation with him that she can’t control. He is very clever and she, well, she’s a space cadet really - she listens to him too because he is older. It is causing a lot of stress that I’ve said no and he is messaging her about it a lot. I have said I will talk to them both in person when he comes over on Wednesday. She is dreading it and begging me not to mention the “hand job” part.

I would really like to read her messages from him. I’m so stressed and worried about her that I don’t know if I’m over-reading into this and should give her more freedom. But if he’s manipulating her in some way then I feel I need to know.

Actually I have no idea how to read messages - her phone is locked and she uses so many different apps I wouldn’t know where to start.

I’m sorry this is such an essay but what would you do?

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CosyLulu · 24/05/2018 18:51

Thanks Ariela

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lightthedarkness · 25/05/2018 08:01

Well done OP. Sounds as if you've made great progress. Everything is small steps and to have had such discussions both with the boy and his Mum sounds very reassuring. Also you've put in boundaries and discussed phone use at night.
Maybe now you've got the information that your daughter is often trying to extend the phone contact at night there's a discussion to be had with her about self care and sleep (carefully disguised of course Grin ).
I hope that you get some space over the long weekend - you must be under such pressure working full time as well as caring and worrying about your daughter. Flowers Flowers

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NevermindMyMind · 02/06/2018 22:44

I thought about your thread today, OP. How are you getting on with your DD?

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VerbenaBoriensis · 02/06/2018 23:32

Hi OP have just read yr thread. Sounds like yr handling well. Just an idea re: the dog situ just incase yr not aware but there are certain breeds of dog that don't shed hair (eg bison frise but u have to be strict with in training or they rule the roost so maybe not the best to choose)if thats the issue for yr dd. A dog would be a companion for her something to focus on get out of the house etc.
I really feel for you and hope things improve and you both get the support to help you through this. Sending you a hug and Flowers.

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CosyLulu · 03/06/2018 07:11

Thanks both!

Things are a lot better! The meds dd started on just over 3 weeks ago are helping a lot at the moment. I turn the WiFi off when I go to bed now. I’m sure she still might message a bit but she is sleeping better and waking earlier. She didn’t get a place at the pupil referral unit we really wanted but has some tuition at a local youth cebtre starting this week. I teally hope that helps her to meet a few new people.

The boy is still around a dd confessed that they had been kissing - she caught a cold sore that he had do it was pretty obvious. She is still very clear that she does not fancy him and doesn’t want to be in a relationship with him so I’ve insisted she reiterate that and they are seeing each other only twice a week and messaging less. Looking back over the thread I think there were some very harsh posts about him. He’s too vulnerable in himself to be a great danger to her but it is an awful situatiom; he loves her and she doesn’t love him.

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NevermindMyMind · 07/06/2018 02:08

Great to hear your DD is doing better, OP. Sounds like a positive start for her.

I think some posts were quite unfair branding him a monster but if they were kissing and your DD says it's unwanted then what's going on there? It does need to be hammered home by your DD, you and his DM that this is unwanted. Unfortunately, vulnerable people can be/become predators though, especially in situations of unrequited love. It won't necessarily be something he means to do but can just happen among vulnerable people when one is used to being the fragile one all the time and suddenly is not the most fragile. He is young and situations like this will set him up for the future.

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NevermindMyMind · 07/06/2018 02:37

I hope that doesn't sound harsh against you, OP, it's most definitely not meant that way. I just have my own experience that I was talking from.

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CaledonianQueen · 07/06/2018 04:31

Hi op, I noticed that you mentioned the possibility of your dad being autistic, as both an Autistic woman and a Mum to an eleven year old with Autism, I personally found that diagnosis and research were the most helpful. There is a fantastic wealth of books out now on girls/ women on the spectrum, I have linked to several below although you may be better looking in depth yourself. I am so glad things seem to have improved for your dd and also that you are in regular communication with this boys Mum.

First up is Aspergers and girls by Tony Attwood
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/193256540X/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Next is overcoming anxiety and depression on the autism spectrum by Lee Wilkinson.
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849059276/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Another book is ‘The guide to good mental health on the autism spectrum by Jeanette Purkis.
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849056706/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

then ‘Exploring depression and beating the blues’ by Tony Attwood
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849055025/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Then ‘Making sense of sex; a forthrite guide to puberty, sex and relationships for people with Aspergers’ written by Sarah Attwood
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1843103745/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Next up is The Aspie girls guide to being safe with men written by Debi Brown
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849053545/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Women and girls with autism spectrum disorder written by Sarah Hendricks.
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849055475/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Next up is ‘A guide to mental health issues in girls and young women on the autism spectrum’ written by Dr Judy Eaton
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1785920928/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Finally is ‘Aspergirls: empowering females with Aspergers’ written by Rudy Simone
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849058261/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

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