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AIBU to not forgive SIL affair?

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Ambs81 · 18/05/2018 11:35

This is a complicated one- but I'll try to tell the short version! Any advice, especially from those who've experienced similar would be great.
Last year I found out a work colleague had split from their husband of 10 years after finding out he'd been having a 6 month affair with a younger women, who was known to my work colleague.
Like anyone, my work friend had completely broken down, she'd confronted the girl he was having the affair with -who she knew well and after a few days, rang the fiancee of the girl involved to make sure he also knew what had been going on.
She found out when typically, her idiot now-ex-husband had left his phone with hundreds of photos, video, messages from the other women in an archived chat. Most of it was quite sexual, but they had also told each other they loved each other, and discussed plans to leave their partners (talking solicitors for divorce, living arrrangements).
The plot thickened when a week later, it was mentioned in passing the name of the finance of the girl involved in the affair - it was my brother in laws name (my husband's brother). Its not a very common first name, or surname (now my surname), i was surprised my work friends hadn't already made the connection.
We quickly confirmed it was my BIL financee (they are due to get married this summer), I was shown some of the images / video involved and it was clear she was the guilty party, I also noticed she'd come off social media at this point.
I obviously told my husband, and explained his brother already knew what had gone on - but encouraged him to talk to his brother and support him through the fallout.
His brother was extremely upset we knew, and as his fiancee had managed to convince him the affair was just text messages, not sex, our input confirmed that it was sexual (i watched footage of them having sex!), which obviously caused my BIL more upset.
Long story short, 6 months later and my BIL has decided to stay with the his financee, after 2-3 days living apart, they decided they were both to blame and wanted to stay together.
My BIL suffers from depression, and it seems as though the family feel this caused her to have an affair, as he was distant and not meeting her needs. As someone who has suffered with depression, I feel really shocked that this is being used to justify her betrayal. Also worth noting she was my BIL first relationship/ girlfriend, so he has no other frame of reference.
They've also decided to go ahead with the wedding this year, 10 months after the affair came out. While I think it's far enough to stay together, I think going ahead with the wedding as planned is a joke - especially with it taking place in a catholic church.
While the rest of the family have totally forgiven and forgotten, my husband and I are really struggling to come to terms with it and treat her as family. My husbands family don't want it to be talked about, it is completely swept under the carpet now, but I havent directly spoken to my BIL or his fiancee since this came out (6 months ago).
At the request of my mother in law (who i greatly respect, she has helped me a lot with my DS) I did reach out to the girl involved, suggesting we meet and bury the hatchet. The reply was quite a rude and basically indicated they were angry at us, and that she was willing to accept me as family 'no matter what' (inferring I'd done something wrong??).
Since that exchange of messages there has been no contact, I'm avoiding family situations/ occasions where they'll be and visa versa.
I'm happy to continue with this, but with the wedding approaching i feel it is going to come to a head, as I don't want to attend and don't want my son to attend.
I would go out of respect for my BIL (who was a close childhood friend and how I met my husband), but as he hasn't spoken to me since this happened I feel that I have no relationship with the bride or groom, and it feels bizarre to think of going to their wedding when I'm not on speaking terms with them.
I still feel so angry at her and I feel devasted for my BIL, because he is such a lovely guy and I feel he is being duped. None of his close friends know the truth and I worry the only people he confinded in - his parents- were more worried about maintaining the status quo (as the wedding invites had gone out, they own a house together etc) then his self esteem and self worth.
As the family have moved on so quickly, I feel they think IABU to still hold a grudge and not let it go, I also know it will hurt my MIL and FIL to not have me at the wedding, more then anything because they wouldn't like their friends to think/know they was an issue/dispute in the family.
I know I'm taking the moral highground with nothing to really gain, but just can't move pass the fact that she did this to my BIL and also to my work friend - who has now ended her marriage of 10 years.
It seems wrong that on one side a marriage is over, but on the other its business as usual and the wedding planning is in full swing.
Had her cheating been a one off, or even a two-off thing, I wouldn't feel as strongly but it was such a prolonged affair, with meeting for sex 1-2 times a week in my BIL house, there was also a lot of bad mouthing of my BIL in the messages exchanged, and she was putting a lot of pressure on the man involved to get a solicitor and get a divorce.
I also find it weird that while my work friends marriage was in a bad place - they were having counselling - my BIL was unaware of any problem, and his fiancee seemed fine and very actively planning her wedding.
Another side note is my own brother, having cheated on his fiancee went ahead with his wedding and then split after 6 months - and still can't start divorce proceedings as haven't been married long enough. I wish I'd advised my brother to delay his wedding, but as he was the wrong-doer I guess I encouraged him (or at least didn't discourage hime) to make things right by going through with it (in the end it was his wife's choice to end it). I'm raising this as I have recent experience with how marrying of the back of infidelity is never a good idea!
Sorry for such a long post...I guess my question to you guys is AIBU to not forgive and forget, and AIBU to not attend wedding?

OP posts:
TheNoseyProject · 18/05/2018 21:35

Tbh, most weddings are pretty busy and most of the chat is about normal stuff after a cursory ‘what a lovely service’ etc. There were only 50 at my wedding and I didn’t get to talk in an extended way to anyone.

In that context, I’d go to avoid more ill-will with bil. If it’s tiny and you’ll have to share loads of FaceTime with then I’d be ‘i’ll’

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 18/05/2018 21:35

... and yet, IWanna, the groom-to-be, the BIL - the only one whose opinion actually matters - has forgiven his fiancée for her affair.

It is everybody who is making him out to be some sort of 'less than', 'put upon' or 'clueless' person who are showing a complete lack of respect. I find that nauseating - and your post is just overly dramatic, 'innocent partner', 'plotting nastily'. Why? Confused

Bluntness100 · 18/05/2018 22:15

I don't really get why you keep responding

Oh I think you do, you just don't like it, at least be honest and be honest about why you want to punish and humiliate this woman.

And as for where did I get the telling all your friends thing, you said it, you said "all" your friends agreed with you to cut her off. So ehrm, how do you know that if you weren't the one discussing it with them?

And as for the poster saying it's "unforgiveable"get over yourself. It's her partners decision, not yours and not the ops. You don't get to decide to forgive or grant forgiveness, and neither does the op. The fact you personally wouldn't forgive a partner is irrelevant. What's relevant is her partner has. Any decent human would respect that and not try to cause this couple further pain on their wedding day.

RayDropofGoldenSun · 18/05/2018 22:26

Honestly don't go to a wedding you don't approve of. Is very sad and you'll soon see how long it lasts.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 18/05/2018 22:36

It's not overly dramatic to state what she did, Lying. OP says they were meeting for sex 1-2 times a week in my BIL house, there was also a lot of bad mouthing of my BIL in the messages exchanged, and she was putting a lot of pressure on the man involved to get a solicitor and get a divorce.
If OP considers that to be reprehensible behaviour, she doesn't have to lie and pretend otherwise, if she prefers not to.
I wonder if bil really does know the extent of it. She can choose not to go to the wedding, if she wants to tell people what happened that is her choice too, in the end. I advise against it because her bil will hate her and it will hurt him, but sil has no inherent right to expect OP to lie for her to mutual friends.
Some people feel more strongly about this stuff than others - remember the OP has seen the fallout for her work friend too.

Mammalamb · 18/05/2018 22:56

Hi, I think you’re overinvested here. Yes, what she did was rubbish to your BIL, but if he wants to move on with their relationship then it really isn’t your business.

Mammalamb · 18/05/2018 23:09

Op, why on earth did you read the messages and watch the video of them having sex??? You really need to mind your own business

Jamiefraserskilt · 18/05/2018 23:27

I would be concerned about his next bout of depression. In sickness and in health and all that
It is your husband who has to make the call. If comments arise about visitation, you respond that the phone goes both ways as does the road between their house and yours.
You do not feel comfy accepting the decision he has made to marry her don't go.
As to her text, she has more cheek than a butcher on a saturday. Accept you?!

TheDrinksAreOnMe · 18/05/2018 23:32

Is OP still not getting the replies she wants?

Girl, it is not your business. Build a bridge or walk the other direction but you sure ain’t doing your BIL any favours

GreenTulips · 18/05/2018 23:38

The COUPLE whose wedding it is have made their peace and are moving on

Not based on the whole truth though is it?

Not surprised she's invested - she knows they lady at work the groom and bride are/will be close relatives - that has to make work and home stressful and none of OPs doing.

She has to show suppprt to her husband and work colleagues and now the PIL -

What OP wants to do is support BIL whilst disapproving of his decision to marry.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 18/05/2018 23:48

Poor BIL and what an awful manipulative SIL. TBH I don't blame you for not wanting to go. However it's his stupid decision to take her back. Go to the wedding but make excuses for the reception at least sat in a pew in a church there's a limit to the pointless small talk. I doubt very much the marriage will last.

LoislovesStewie · 19/05/2018 06:52

Has anyone on here made any comment about the man involved in this? I understand that we are not being asked about him, but while the SIL is being called vile names by some, no-one has made any comment about his behaviour. I'm sure the SIL has been called a slapper but as usual the man is called nothing.As usual.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 19/05/2018 07:25

The man isn't marrying into her family though, so he isn't relevant to the thread. I know I think he is equally as skanky as sil. Although I do think there is something particularly awful about someone taking their affair partner into their spouse's home. That's what I mean upthread about some actions being unforgiveable.

Barbaro · 19/05/2018 07:28

To be honest I don't think that I could go. If they say something in the vows like 'I promise to be true to you in good times and bad', I would laugh out loud when she said it. Hardly true that is it?

But you did attend a wedding of another cheater, so you probably should go otherwise its hypocritical.

GreenTulips · 19/05/2018 07:30

But you did attend a wedding of another cheater, so you probably should go otherwise its hypocritical

Nope - her brother married on a beach with just the bride - no attendance.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 19/05/2018 07:51

The reason I didn’t call the OM names is that he is not really the focus of the thread
He is a Ho too . Horrible behaviour

Op sorry this thread has turned all weird . Although different perspectives are always useful Confused

TheDrinksAreOnMe · 19/05/2018 09:04

The OM hasn’t nowt to do with the AIBU question being asked

MsGameandWatching · 19/05/2018 09:13

Confused but it hasn't turned weird. Unless you think people not agreeing with you is "weird"...

FizzyGreenWater · 19/05/2018 09:16

It's one of the weirdest I've seen.

MsGameandWatching · 19/05/2018 09:33

In what way?

Sommelierrrr · 19/05/2018 09:38

Personally i cant get over the fact you watched the sex video! But shite for everyone all round. Its a lot to take.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 19/05/2018 09:38

IWanna, So, you think that it's quite likely that the BIL doesn't know the full extent (and can't see further than the end of his nose) and the OP, who wasn't and isn't involved - and wasn't privy to the conversations between BIL and his fiancée - nor the workplace couple - knows more? You really think that?

I think that couples tend to keep these things between them because they don't' want nosy sticky-beaks interfering in their business. They have enough to be going on with. The motives of the interfering outsider are questionable and not coming from a place of love or altruism.

The BIL knows of affair, has forgiven it and wants to marry his fiancée. That's all there is to be said really. No fuss, no drama. OP needn't attend if she doesn't want to, she's not immediate family (to BIL).

You seem to be on the side of people blabbing what they want and to hell with the people involved. I don't. We're all different.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 19/05/2018 09:42

'laugh out loud' at parts of the ceremony? Urgh. Don't you know how to behave, Barbaro?

Best for everybody that OP doesn't go but that her husband and son do attend.

timeisnotaline · 19/05/2018 09:47

You want to be there for your bil. Your current actions don’t seem to be achieving this in any way. You will never be friends with sil but I would go to the wedding and be friendly and in contact enough that you are there for him down the track, he does sound like he could use the support. Not going won’t achieve that.

ArsenalsPlayingAtHome · 19/05/2018 09:49

OP - it's unlikely that this marriage will last.

With his self esteem already shot to pieces, I'd be looking ahead. When she cheats on him next time, he's going to need you (one of his oldest friends by the sound of it) and your DH to be there for him.

I'd be going to the family events, not avoiding them, and make a concerted effort to try and maintain your friendship with him. I'd grab a minute at one of these events and tell him that you love & support him as a brother in law and friend, and that no matter what has happened you & your DH will always be there for him.

I think I'd go to the wedding. Practice your fake smile safe in the knowledge that you are there to support him.