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AIBU to not forgive SIL affair?

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Ambs81 · 18/05/2018 11:35

This is a complicated one- but I'll try to tell the short version! Any advice, especially from those who've experienced similar would be great.
Last year I found out a work colleague had split from their husband of 10 years after finding out he'd been having a 6 month affair with a younger women, who was known to my work colleague.
Like anyone, my work friend had completely broken down, she'd confronted the girl he was having the affair with -who she knew well and after a few days, rang the fiancee of the girl involved to make sure he also knew what had been going on.
She found out when typically, her idiot now-ex-husband had left his phone with hundreds of photos, video, messages from the other women in an archived chat. Most of it was quite sexual, but they had also told each other they loved each other, and discussed plans to leave their partners (talking solicitors for divorce, living arrrangements).
The plot thickened when a week later, it was mentioned in passing the name of the finance of the girl involved in the affair - it was my brother in laws name (my husband's brother). Its not a very common first name, or surname (now my surname), i was surprised my work friends hadn't already made the connection.
We quickly confirmed it was my BIL financee (they are due to get married this summer), I was shown some of the images / video involved and it was clear she was the guilty party, I also noticed she'd come off social media at this point.
I obviously told my husband, and explained his brother already knew what had gone on - but encouraged him to talk to his brother and support him through the fallout.
His brother was extremely upset we knew, and as his fiancee had managed to convince him the affair was just text messages, not sex, our input confirmed that it was sexual (i watched footage of them having sex!), which obviously caused my BIL more upset.
Long story short, 6 months later and my BIL has decided to stay with the his financee, after 2-3 days living apart, they decided they were both to blame and wanted to stay together.
My BIL suffers from depression, and it seems as though the family feel this caused her to have an affair, as he was distant and not meeting her needs. As someone who has suffered with depression, I feel really shocked that this is being used to justify her betrayal. Also worth noting she was my BIL first relationship/ girlfriend, so he has no other frame of reference.
They've also decided to go ahead with the wedding this year, 10 months after the affair came out. While I think it's far enough to stay together, I think going ahead with the wedding as planned is a joke - especially with it taking place in a catholic church.
While the rest of the family have totally forgiven and forgotten, my husband and I are really struggling to come to terms with it and treat her as family. My husbands family don't want it to be talked about, it is completely swept under the carpet now, but I havent directly spoken to my BIL or his fiancee since this came out (6 months ago).
At the request of my mother in law (who i greatly respect, she has helped me a lot with my DS) I did reach out to the girl involved, suggesting we meet and bury the hatchet. The reply was quite a rude and basically indicated they were angry at us, and that she was willing to accept me as family 'no matter what' (inferring I'd done something wrong??).
Since that exchange of messages there has been no contact, I'm avoiding family situations/ occasions where they'll be and visa versa.
I'm happy to continue with this, but with the wedding approaching i feel it is going to come to a head, as I don't want to attend and don't want my son to attend.
I would go out of respect for my BIL (who was a close childhood friend and how I met my husband), but as he hasn't spoken to me since this happened I feel that I have no relationship with the bride or groom, and it feels bizarre to think of going to their wedding when I'm not on speaking terms with them.
I still feel so angry at her and I feel devasted for my BIL, because he is such a lovely guy and I feel he is being duped. None of his close friends know the truth and I worry the only people he confinded in - his parents- were more worried about maintaining the status quo (as the wedding invites had gone out, they own a house together etc) then his self esteem and self worth.
As the family have moved on so quickly, I feel they think IABU to still hold a grudge and not let it go, I also know it will hurt my MIL and FIL to not have me at the wedding, more then anything because they wouldn't like their friends to think/know they was an issue/dispute in the family.
I know I'm taking the moral highground with nothing to really gain, but just can't move pass the fact that she did this to my BIL and also to my work friend - who has now ended her marriage of 10 years.
It seems wrong that on one side a marriage is over, but on the other its business as usual and the wedding planning is in full swing.
Had her cheating been a one off, or even a two-off thing, I wouldn't feel as strongly but it was such a prolonged affair, with meeting for sex 1-2 times a week in my BIL house, there was also a lot of bad mouthing of my BIL in the messages exchanged, and she was putting a lot of pressure on the man involved to get a solicitor and get a divorce.
I also find it weird that while my work friends marriage was in a bad place - they were having counselling - my BIL was unaware of any problem, and his fiancee seemed fine and very actively planning her wedding.
Another side note is my own brother, having cheated on his fiancee went ahead with his wedding and then split after 6 months - and still can't start divorce proceedings as haven't been married long enough. I wish I'd advised my brother to delay his wedding, but as he was the wrong-doer I guess I encouraged him (or at least didn't discourage hime) to make things right by going through with it (in the end it was his wife's choice to end it). I'm raising this as I have recent experience with how marrying of the back of infidelity is never a good idea!
Sorry for such a long post...I guess my question to you guys is AIBU to not forgive and forget, and AIBU to not attend wedding?

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scrumples · 18/05/2018 19:00

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FizzyGreenWater · 18/05/2018 19:00

My MIL in law also happily shared to wider family about my brothers marriage break up, whilst in the same breath made me promise I wouldn't take to anyone in my family about my BIL and his partner.

Oh ho ho.

OP, if people are your friends, talk to them about whatever you like. And watch your step with your inlaws. She may be the favourite but it's not a position I'd want to be in by the sound of it.

But, I'd go to the wedding so as not to give OWSIL any more ammunition against you, and I'd leave your son at home.

FizzyGreenWater · 18/05/2018 19:02

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Ambs81 · 18/05/2018 19:05

Thank you at @FizzyGreenWater, I think the general consensus is yes I should go...but leave DS with my mum to avoid extra awkwardness.

He is only 3 so not old to get it anyway.

I will buy a nice dress and make the best of it.

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GreenTulips · 18/05/2018 19:09

You're assuming you're still invited?

Ambs81 · 18/05/2018 19:13

We had the finally invitation delivered, via my MIL, 2 weeks ago - so yes assuming we are still invited but I see your point!

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FizzyGreenWater · 18/05/2018 19:19

Oh please.

Yes, she is still invited. Once again - it's kind of the point of the thread. Read OP's initial post where she describes how her PIL are concerned at the idea that she might not come and are on at her not to bow out.

Really a lot of you are making total fools of yourself at this stage.

FizzyGreenWater · 18/05/2018 19:20

If you can leave your DS with your mum, ideal.

Nice dress. Be distant.

Be a lot more distant after this 'wedding'.

None of it will end well.

Focus on your own family.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 18/05/2018 19:26

You should only go if you're going to be gracious, OP. If you're as acerbic at the wedding as you are o this thread then no, you shouldn't go.

You're leaping on the posters that agree with you but actually, they are in the minority. This isn't a pile-on, just that other posters have other views and you've posted on a public chatboard. I don't agree with Fizzy's posts on this thread but obviously they accord with you so you appreciate them. There's room for everybody's opinions.

If though, all your friends agreed with you that you're "... totally right to cut her off and not go to the wedding". Why are you asking here? That's what's a bit revelling and a bit distasteful about it. You don't like your SIL-to-be, I doubt she's thrilled with you either from your posts... politely civil is all you both need to be with each other. No need for drama...

Notonthestairs · 18/05/2018 19:27

The wedding is not tomorrow is it?Wink

WindDoesNotBreakTheBendyTree · 18/05/2018 19:34

LOL @not

Take your DS to the wedding fgs

There is no logical reason not to allow his father to take him to his uncle's wedding apart from wanting to be spiteful and make a point

Going to the wedding without DS, going and being distant, or not going at all is attention-seeking, and what people on here like to call "toxic" behaviour. You are on the periphery of this, go, be gracious. And grow up.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 18/05/2018 19:42

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Bluntness100 · 18/05/2018 20:21

Op, I'm not remotely angry with you. If you're trying to insinuate something then let me be clear, I've been with my husband for 29 years, since I was 20 and as far as I'm aware neither of us have cheated.

I am appalled at your attitude though. And I think the telling part is your brother behaved worse, much worse, but you didn't have the same reaction or wish to see the same punishment and humiliation doled out to him as you do this woman.

Are yiu mysogynistic as some posters are saying? Possibly, your brothers partner of 16 years didn't get the same depth of feeling as your brother in law apparently is. Even though he neither wants thay feeling or agrees with it.

Or is it you just don't like this woman so wish to see her punished qnd humiliated? Probably. I still can't get past you watching those videos, reading those messages and then wanting her to apologise to thr wider family. It's just awful.

And I wasn't suggesting you couldn't talk to your family about it more you'd talked about it so much no one wanted to hear it anymore. And if all your "friends" agree with you, then you're already clearly discussing it far and wide, and now spreading it all over the internet.

So am I angry. Nope. Am I appalled. Oh yes.

BlancheM · 18/05/2018 20:25

It's none of your business. It really doesn't have anything to do with you, it only feels like it does because you've been heavily invested from the very beginning to the extent of being involved in a crime.
Either go to the wedding, or don't. That's all there is to think about.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 18/05/2018 20:46

stop that is a disgusting way to refer to a woman.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 18/05/2018 20:47

Sorry how is OP a misogynist

Yet again were the genders reversed Confused

We have what sounds like a fairly vulnerable groom marrying a calculated cheat

But yes let’s forgive and forget as she has a VAGINA

Bluntness100 · 18/05/2018 20:55

Stop, are you drunk?

Cuppaoftea · 18/05/2018 20:55

I think the general consensus is yes I should go...but leave DS with my mum to avoid extra awkwardness.

He is only 3 so not old to get it anyway.

Why would there be extra awkwardness if your DS goes, on the contrary having him there will probably help to diffuse awkwardness with your inlaws.

I bet your DH would love to take his son to his brother's wedding, stop being cruel to make some sort of point.

Wonder if your DH is also fed up of you talking about this now and wishes you would drop it so he can get on with supporting his brother and enjoying the day.

MsGameandWatching · 18/05/2018 20:56

But yes let’s forgive and forget as she has a VAGINA

It's not the OP's place to forgive, it really has absolutely nothing to do with her. Only a self important busy body with inflated ideas of the value of their opinion would think that they are in any position to be deigning to "forgive" in this situation.

Everyone else, the actual couple involved, and closer family members than the OP, want to move forward but OP wants to drag it out and Have Her Say by not attending the wedding and if she can't get away with that then she will keep her child away, just to make her snide point. The COUPLE whose wedding it is have made their peace and are moving on,the only decent and well mannered thing to do now is follow their lead.

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Ambs81 · 18/05/2018 20:58

@Bluntness100

I don't really get why you keep responding. You seem to keep wanting to go off on tangents, I only ever brought my brother in 2 this as in y recent past I've seen what happens when people rush into a marriage after an affair/ cheating.

I've never inferred what he did was ok, and certainly not made 'ok' by his gender.

I haven't discussed it far and wide and my good friends - how do you know that? Why say that? I said I'd told close friends, who obviously are bias and of course will back me up. I thought this thread would give me a wider range of opinions, from people totally removed from it. Or people that had been through this themselves.

You say you are appalled by me, I find it a little appalling you would bash someone you've never met on the internet based on a few posts on mumsnet, focusing on a very small part.

People are fair to say I am over invested, should mind my own business etc - but I think calling me an appalling misogynist is a bit extreme.

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 18/05/2018 20:59

Look I don’t want to argue but I don’t think
Op is unreasonable to be upset

She has seen her colleagues pain
She has know her BIL all her life

And now she has to paste a smile and welcome someone horrible into her family

That’s a lot of shit to handle

MsGameandWatching · 18/05/2018 21:01

Wonder if your DH is also fed up of you talking about this now and wishes you would drop it so he can get on with supporting his brother and enjoying the day.

I'd say so. I'd also be rather put off my significant other watching them try to aggravate my siblings pain and taking such delight in such a painful situation simply because they were jealous of and disliked their DP.

Bluntness agree with all your posts.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 18/05/2018 21:06

Wow. Of all the things to slate Someone for this is an odd one

AIBU hey Confused

People are complex and
Families and an OP is just being honest here because she can’t in RL

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 18/05/2018 21:06

There are affairs and affairs though. I disapprove of cheating, under most circumstances (the exception being cheating on abusers, who deserve no consideration), but not all affairs are unforgiveable.
What is unforgiveable is slagging off your innocent partner via text, sending sex tapes and plotting nastily. That is all just so unnecessarily unkind.
It's hard to go to a wedding and celebrate a marriage when the person getting married has no respect for the concept.

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