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Men wanting to be Women

823 replies

bert3400 · 16/05/2018 22:26

To think transgender women really have no idea what being a women is ? . Maybe it's time we had a 3rd Gender . Be interested in hearing what real women & transwomen feel ?

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Cailleach1 · 17/05/2018 23:36

A man with his penis removed is a transwoman.

Dunno about that. The Eunuchs of Ottoman, Chinese court etc. weren't saying they were men who identified as women. A man with his penis removed is a eunuch

Cailleach1 · 17/05/2018 23:39

And what about Castratos? Their voices were different from female voices.

Puffycat · 17/05/2018 23:46

@OrderMeAnotherCurry may I applaud you! Just actually strained myself and read right through your post (it was long), my goodness you said it!
It’s a new era, thank goodness.
That said, the world turns more slowly than we think, there are still a lot of dinosaurs out there who find it hard to get their heads round what’s really happening.
Delighted to say that my 3DC all know, accept, support at least one trans friend

AllyMcBeagle · 17/05/2018 23:49

OrderMeAnotherCurry may I applaud you!

Can I join in the applause for Curry too? Smile

Cailleach1 · 17/05/2018 23:52

Mind you, some men can have hormonal abnormalities and result is so called 'endocrinological castrati'.

Puffycat · 17/05/2018 23:52

Just realised that sounded rather patronising. Meant that all my kids have friends of both sexes, gender, sexuality including trans. I’m not trying to get a medal or anything, my point is, today, kids are really neutral and non judgmental

OrderMeAnotherCurry · 17/05/2018 23:54

Just to make it clear, I am opposed to self identification.

It would certainly be harmful to women.

For transsexuals and people suffering from genuine dysphoria it will either be pointless or just outright harmful.

OrderMeAnotherCurry · 17/05/2018 23:56

Being accepted for who you are is great.

Throwing away all safeguarding procedures, not using common sense and not trying to make sure everyone's needs are met is not great.

MipMipMip · 18/05/2018 00:05

《Stands up and applauds Curry

FermatsTheorem · 18/05/2018 07:31

Thank you Curry

Bowlofbabelfish · 18/05/2018 07:40

Thank you curry

BartholinsSister · 18/05/2018 07:45

A man with his penis removed is a eunuch

Eunuchs were castrated, ie only had their testicles removed.

TERFragetteCity · 18/05/2018 07:52

the danger is not from genuine transwomen but opportunistic men

How do we know the difference here?

GladAllOver · 18/05/2018 08:00

We don't.

Ereshkigal · 18/05/2018 08:41

For the purposes of the Equality Act, transwomen with GRCs therefore have the protected characteristics of female sex and gender reassignment; transwomen without GRCs have the protected characteristics of male sex and gender reassignment (I'm just referring to transwomen here to keep things simple).

Thank you. This is what I thought. Glad to have this confirmed by someone who knows what they are talking about.

Claire90ftm · 18/05/2018 09:00

There are a lot of truly disgusting, backwards thinking people on this site, who I hope I never meet.

TERFragetteCity · 18/05/2018 09:14

There are a lot of truly disgusting, backwards thinking people on this site, who I hope I never meet.

Backwards in what way?

MumofBoysx2 · 18/05/2018 09:18

I don't think transgender women identify as a '3rd gender', they identify as female. So let them be female. Doesn't hurt anyone! I'd much rather let people be transgender than let people smoke for instance!

TERFragetteCity · 18/05/2018 09:19

Gosh is it Man Friday or sotin?

Idrinkandiknowstuff · 18/05/2018 09:27

Applauds curry for the best post ever on this subject. It should be made into a sticky and firmly attached to the top of every single trans thread on here.

JeezYouLoon · 18/05/2018 09:27

In my humble opinion the world has gone mad!

I have no idea what makes a woman a woman nor a man a man, it appears that these days you can be whatever the hell you like.

To be honest I really couldn't give two hoots, however please don't preach to me you know how women feel if you were born a man and vice versa. Women have fought long and bloody hard to be listened to, vote, be treated equally and to me it belittles everything they've achieved.

Everyone should shut up and crack on living whatever life they want to lead, be kind, be nice, be thoughtful and treat others as you would want to be treated yourself.

As Olivia would say peace and love ✌️

MiggeldyHiggins · 18/05/2018 10:12

There are a lot of truly disgusting, backwards thinking people on this site, who I hope I never meet

The ones who keep insisting men are women just because they say so? I know, its awful, but what can we do about it?

IIIustriousIyIllogical · 18/05/2018 10:17

I'm glad that in 20 years time the transphobia of today will be viewed the same way we now look at Jim Crow laws, apartheid, section 28, etc. I'm glad I'm part of the movement towards equality.

I think in 20 years time we'll look back & think "well, that was a fucking silly fad, we nearly fell for it......"

tradervictoria · 18/05/2018 10:18

Eunuchs were castrated, ie only had their testicles removed.

In some cultures the whole lot is/was removed, for example the Chinese explorer General Zheng He. It contributed to urine leaking and the saying 'you smell like a eunuch'.

I imagine modern sex organ surgery has that problem covered to plug the urine outlet up.

RatRolyPoly · 18/05/2018 10:27

I think in 20 years time we'll look back & think "well, that was a fucking silly fad, we nearly fell for it......"

Transgenderism has been present in human history for centuries in cultures right across the globe. At the last count I think it was 27 countries who currently have self-ID laws....

Funny kind of "fad"; I think you might be behind the times by several hundreds of years

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