To hate the body positive movement

[Raven88]

I used to believe in it until I was diagnosed as pre diabetic. Genetically I gain weight easily and I comfort ate.

Since Boxing Day I have been eating healthy and started exercising and I've lost weight. But I've also become healthy. I used to be in constant pain and tired all the time but that changed as soon as I took charge.

It scares me that they are leading people down a dangerous path by promoting an unhealthy lifestyle.

I am a trauma therapist and have been learning through my clients just how much the neuroendocrinal system is affected by adverse childhood experiences, so traumatised people suffer more with things like diabetes, fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism etc.

Finding the bopo movement has helped me so much with allowing my clients to realise they are worthy of love and kindness and respect no matter what their body may look like. I have signposted clients to people like #bodyposipanda and #selfloveclubb and they have found them a great source of support.

I myself have gone from a 10 to a 12/14 over the last two years and am the heaviest I have ever been which has taken some emotional processing and adjustment. Bopo has also helped me on a personal level to accept my stretch marks and flabby belly although I would still LOVE to look like Ashley Graham in a bikini!

YABU

wildgarlicflowers amen

I am a trauma therapist and have been learning through my clients just how much the neuroendocrinal system is affected by adverse childhood experiences, so traumatised people suffer more with things like diabetes, fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism etc.

Really? I never knew this. Explains a lot for me.

@PsychedelicSheep I think Ashley Graham
looks better after losing weight. If she was happy as heavier why change.

It appears I was being unreasonable and that's why I posted it in AIBU. I don't hate fat people (I am one) or think that anyone should be shamed. I think that some people are delusional about their health and think that being the size of Tess Munster is healthy and I think that is the Fat Acceptance people pushing an agenda. If BP helps people then it's not something to hate but it has morphed into something else.

If she was happy as heavier why change.

Surely it's not all about being happy when you're heavier, it's about being healthy?

Last year I was 3 stone heavier than I am now. I've lost weight by focussing on sport and exercise rather than just dieting, and know I'm far healthier. I was perfectly happy with my body 3 stone heavier; I'd wear bikinis and not be ashamed. I'm no more or less happy with my body now it's lighter; it's the vessel that holds the important stuff, the size of it isn't what defines it.

I don't hate the body positive movement at all.

It's more than accepting your belly rolls and eating more dessert, though.

It's about accepting your body, as it is, so that you can get on with the rest of your life. Whether you want to be healthy or not, that's up to you. (Lots of thin people eat unhealthily and don't exercise - lots of fat people are the opposite, lots of people can't exercise and gain weight through that).

I'm overweight. I exercise regularly to aid my lifelong anxiety, I eat well (really, I do), I drink only very occasionally, I've never smoked and I don't take drugs. I'm healthier both in body and in mindset than my older sister who has a cheat day once a week and exercises like a maniac - we've talked about this, I'm not being overly judge-y. She's thinner than me but definitely thinks about how her body looks more than how she feels in it (physically and mentally).

Body positivity helped me through my changing body during pregnancy. And helped not to put pressure on myself after.

I will support anyone who feels happy in their body however it is. Always. Just like it's not my place to tell someone not to drink or smoke (they know the risks), it's not my place to tell someone to lose weight either. My little sister was hospitalised with an eating disorder when she was 14 years old. I would rather everyone in the world was obese and died in their 40s from it than 14 year olds almost killing themselves because they're told not to accept their bodies.

I'm one of the 'rare' (according to MN) whose weight has been caused by disability/medication.

I am on slimming tablets via my Consultant, I am eating between 800 and 1200 calories a day. I move as much as I can. I'm not really losing weight. I've lost just under a stone, since March. A size 18, is getting lose on me.

I went to the garden center on Saturday, didn't think I could make it home, but did, by bus and walking, carrying light plants. But the exertion for the day meant that I fell asleep on the couch, because I couldn't make the stairs, until about 4am, until I was rested enough to go to bed. I napped during the next day. If you haven't seen CFS, you wouldn't believe it.

I've put on five stone whilst being seriously ill, my CFS is post viral. I have Lymph Node issues and when I was having another Biopsy, they decided to take my Tonsils out. I was eating around 200 calories a day, but didn't lose weight.

I was a daily gym goer and did weights, I was also Vegan before I became ill. So don't be so smug, any of you, because you could become ill and obese.

If you do, should you then hate yourself?

I didn't know if i would survive my illness. i spent months bed bound. I was turned down for PIP ( I was later awarded it, but not back-pay for a year).

I think I've coped well. All my Life I have done Voluntary work. My paid work was in Social Care. I've bought up three children after being Widowed, two with SN. I've been a Carer to Relatives and stopped three needing to go into residential care.

But, according to you, my weight should define me. I shouldn't be positive about my body, even though I've sat in a Clinic waiting for the results of tests and got good news, when others haven't.

I've known obese people and morbidly obese, there has always been physiological issues and not enough support to make changes. Those people hating themselves any further won't help.

One of my DD's, with Sn has peers who have various conditions, which is causing their obesity, they are 'different' enough, without being demonized for how much body fat they are carrying and the Body positive movement is good for them.

I've said it before on these types of thread, but without the movement, I think I wouldn't go out because the comments and remarks are constant. I now see it as other people's issues.

I wish that a study would be done, to see how many Obese people are that way because of Illness?conditions/medications and MH.

Then you will know how many people there are so you can knock yourself out by telling them how disgusting they are.

The body positive movement is not just about fat and thin. It heartens me to see people who aren't Instagram fitness models or 5 foot 11 supermodels as beautiful. In the Real World, there are women with skin conditions, physical disabilities, short height... who are gorgeous and should be celebrated as such.

YANBU op. There's a difference between body positivity and encouraging people to stay unhealthy.

"I think that some people are delusional about their health "

I totally agree, but that includes as many, Ideal BMI people, as heavier people.

We have all the drug/alcohol use by younger people and now older people. Drugs are everywhere.
All the Women self medicating with wine every night, but not eating to 'get away with it'. The Men who can't put on weight, so eat fry ups/takeaways. I was sat behind a group of thin Male Students, they were discussing food. They lived on Pizza, Chips, Crisps and Noodles. One said he could eat fruit, if pushed, but none of them ate any Veg, unless the Noodles had Peas/Sweetcorn in it.

There are Doctors saying that people who aren't carrying weight are becoming complacent and there is a rise in bad health in them.

Also, if we want to stop the Obesity Crisis, we need to eliminate relative poverty.

it is no coincidence that in every EU Country, poor regions are getting heavier. That includes the worshiped French and Italians.

Picking on Individuals won't help.

Birds - absolutely, "skinny fat" is a real thing.

To an extent I wonder if either end of the spectrum by their necessity are comorbid with a mental health issue, I'm not talking about the people who are naturally very thin and don't have an eating disorder or people who are a bit overweight, bud those who restrict their eating to the extent they're dangerously underweight are no more suffering from a mental illness as someone who overheats and binges to the point where they're morbidity obese and risking their health and mortality. Our culture currently doesn't recognise obesity as being linked or caused by a mental health issue in the way that we recognise eating disorders that lead to dangerously low weight, and I think that is illogical and needs to change.

Sometimes in order to lose excess weight people need the confidence to feel they are capable of doing so. If they loathe themselves and loathe the way they look, it can create a vicious cycle of binge eating for comfort and they will never manage to get the weight off. Therefore I believe an element of ‘body positivity’ is important. I also don’t think anyone should feel actively ashamed of their body.

Birds you sound the epitome of strength and grace. Absolutely brilliant.

Glad to see an acknowledgement of the massive impact trauma can have on the body. Post traumatic stress isn't just acute, it can be chronic and multi-faceted.

I'm all for body positivity. Some people are a little wider in places, a little roll here and there for some is normal.

What I hate is the fact we say it confident and fab to embrace people like Tess Holliday. She isn't curvy, she is clearly severely overweight

I’ve been on these threads before and I know there’s no point responding really but here I am anyway!

Those beach body ready adverts were pretty dire: the implication berg that you shouldn’t enjoy the beach unless super toned and slim. I love seeing responses to that of people with all sorts of bodies pointing out that ‘beach body ready’ really isn’t a thing. I spent years not going on holiday anywhere hot because I genuinely thought i couldn’t show my body (from size 12 to size 18). Body positivity online made me realise that I can enjoy the sunshine, I don’t have to swelter in cardigans or lurk indoors. I’m much happier and healthier as a result.

My mother in law doesn’t get it though. I was bikini shopping online and she absolutely couldn’t wrap her head around a size 18 bikini. She kept suggesting a dark swim dress as they’re ‘so flattering’. They aren’t though. No one is going to be deceived into thinking I’m thin if I put on a baggy swimdress; I’ll just look frumpy. Body positivity has given me the confidence to wear short sleeves, to book a beach holiday and not feel like I don’t deserve to participate in life because I’m overweight. I really don’t think anyone aspires to morbid obesity but I’d like to think that people get reassured that their worth and value as a human isn’t directly correlated with the number on the scales either.

The virtue signallers don’t genuinely care about anyone’s health. They just like to feel superior to lazy, greedy, fat people and they get annoyed when instead of being shamed indoors and under jumpers they instead feel brave enough to get in the pool and out into the sunshine.

I was a size 10, my autoimmune diseases got worse and the medications changed, they caused weight gain and now I'm a size 16. I can't stand myself, I'm fat, obese whatever you call it.

I'm also taking full responsibility now for the fact that I am partially responsible for my weight gain along with the meds and my bastard thyroid I'm now where near as mobile as I used to be so I'm on an uphill struggle to lose the flab.

Yes we have become a nation of fat acceptors and that's just wrong. Our nations health is in crisis so I'm glad the way it's being tackled on the tv is without shaming someone. But we do need to tackle this now. Obesity kills but it needs a more holistic way of tackling it rather than constant shaming of people. and I'm waffling again

Sosogoodagain So are you, you just aren't seeing it yet.

Until I came on MN I never knew that fat people were judged. I've never known anyone, except those that were generally nasty about everyone, to have an opinion about weight.

It's so fucked up that people are judging on how big a person's body is. It isn't about health, or there would be threads discussing Fast Food establishments every few shops, in poorer areas. The rise of cannabis use, in poorer areas from Teen years. The nutritional values in today's Veg compared with twenty years ago.

Obesity causes 13 types of Cancer, but so does a bad diet, as well. 6% of Cancer deaths were obese people. So there were 94% of Cancer deaths that wasn't connected to Obesity. 48% were avoidable and none of those 48% were connected to Obesity.

Our Mental Health wards are full of recreational drug users, they are in crisis. Yet often, on here, Cannabis Use gets passed off as not a big deal.

We've got Teenagers burning their-selves with Aerosols and dying from messing around with them.

We've got an increase in all deaths and Infant mortality, because of the Austerity Cuts.

Were are the threads if everyone's concern is the health of our nation?

I really feel like making an FOI request because after what ive seen (after weight loss ppls loose skin being classes as weight. Google Jeff Huggins) and a current thread on here about womens thyroid problems being ignored/misdiagnosed/ not treated........im thinking things like these skew the obesity stats.

@Birdsgottafly I grew up being judged by my family and friends about my weight. I was told by a nurse at 12 that I was too fat.

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HelenaDove Mon 30-Apr-18 18:10:06

"A man who lost 22 stone (140kg) said it is impossible to meet the NHS criteria to have three stone (20kg) of excess skin removed.

Jeff Huggins said he was told he does not meet the body mass index (BMI) yardstick for surgery.

The 45-year-old from Morecambe said the weight of his spare skin means he cannot meet the BMI test.

NHS Lancashire North Clinical Commissioning Group (LNCCG) said it could not comment on individual cases.

Mr Huggins lost 22 of his 40 stone (254kg) in the space of 18 months through a change of diet and regular swimming.

But it left him with multiple folds of skin under his arms, on his back and around his midriff which are prone to infection and make it difficult to sleep, he said.

A letter from the LNCCG said it will only pay for an operation for Mr Huggins if he keeps a low BMI, suffers severe "functional disability" or suffers regular infections which fail to respond to treatment

Mr Huggins said: "Because of my loose skin I do not meet the BMI criteria."

He added that if the skin was removed he would be within the BMI range."

Its bloody Kafkesque.

He should set up a go fund me. It's 6k for that surgery.

He has This is what his daughter has posted on there.

"Hey guys.. My names Ashleigh and ive set this campaign up for my dad! My dad is disabled and suffers terrible athiritis.. The nhs have offered him new knees but told him he had to loose a dramatic amount of weight first! So my dads been on a massive journey.. He was an alcoholic but not anymore he quit the booze... then he got addicted to pescription drugs.. he beat that too! Then hes gone from a wopping 39stone to an amazing 17 stone all by himself in just over a year!! So this massive transformation has been started and all thats left is to get those knew knees! But now weve hit a snag.. the nhs wont operate and give him the knew knees because of the excess skin! But they wont remove the excess skin either! My dad carries round with him and sleeps with an extra 3 stone on him every day an night. So basically ive decided to take matters into my own hands and ask friends/family/the nation for help in getting the money together to help my dad get the excess skin removed! My dad has added 20 years onto his life by loosing all this weight hes not only done it for himself but for all his family too!! Please help us complete the last piece of his jigsaw! Words cannot describe how thankful we would be as a family! xxx"