...to ask about headscarf etiquette?

[HoneyBadgerApparently]

Do Muslim women who chose to wear a headscarf wear it at home?

And if you don’t wear it at home, is it something you look forward to whipping off the minute you walk through the door before you get comfy (like I do with my bra )

Asking purely out of curiosity.

Capara, the occupied territories on this thread is referring to illegal occupation by Israel as the EU says that settlements built on territories occupied by Israel in 1967 are illegal under international law and constitute an obstacle to peace and threaten to make a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict impossible.

This is why EU insists that any produce from usurped land should be labelled clearly so that the consumer can make their own decisions and are made aware of flagrant violations of international law.

Lljkk,

There is a chapter in the Quran named Jinn.

I fully expected this thread to turn into an ‘Islam oppresses women’ argument but so glad it got sensible answers as I’m learning so much!

Nesssie - same

CadyHeron
Love this type of thread, following happily! As I love to learn about other ways of lives and cultures.

Me too! I find it fascinating. So interested.

@babba2014 with all due respect I still don’t get why you wear el hijab in the loo? Is it because you’re saying a prayer?

I have the same with a British Pakistani friend who wears one to break the fast in Ramadan even if only women are there.
But she doesn’t wear one in the street ?

I’m just interested

Anyway Ramadan Kareem

Women have very complicated relationships with headscarves. some wear it as a religious requirement some as a cultural tradition. Privately I wear mine because It gives me freedom in the places I go. I work with a lot of men and the headscarf gives me a free pass from my own community and my husband too to be able to do that. Also when travelling abroad for work.

I mean I could just whip it off when I’m away and my husband or others don’t have to believe I keep it on but it’s just accepted on both sides that it’s kept on.

I haven't read the entire thread but will go back and read.
I talk about jinns on this thread but am not the type to blame everything on jinns. I know some cultures do whether it's illness or unusual behaviour but as I said before it's a minority of situations it happens in and not the default to blame.

Most of the Muslim women I know do wear it in front of family members

@Jesuisleloup
No we don't wear it in the loo because of the prayer. We make prayers with or without covering our head, there is no link to hijab and everyday supplications.

It is more a practice of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and those around him. It is encouraged to follow his ways as we don't just follow the Qur'an but what he said and did too. Like many things I learnt in depth about my religion, as an adult and going through life experiences (some tough ones) I've noticed the wisdom behind some rulings I didn't get as a child.

I think you are made to be confused by seeing actions of others which confuse you. For some people they just cover their head at certain times but as you said she doesn't wear it on the street but when breaking the fast (she probably does it whether there are men or women there). I can say the same as some of my school friends who did things which may confuse others eg wearing a scarf at school but not outside of school. They told me it was because that's what their parents said to do. It is very confusing. However I'm not one to judge but it's up to a person what they want to do and how much. I guess the more you want to love God the more you may try to follow as much as you can? That said I'm not gonna sit here saying someone else loves God less than others either. It's tricky.
I wasn't told to wear a hijab. If you look at my family now you'd think they're very religious and born that way. But we weren't. My family did not wear hijab etc but as we studied more and loved more we added more to our lives but we're just a typical London family but cover our heads and don't drink alcohol lol. The funny thing is I come on Mumsnet and see threads from those who abandoned alcohol so I don't feel very different to many except that I have a lot of little prayers throughout my day but it comes naturally after awhile and doesn't feel long winded or tiring.

Our aim is to follow the example of the people around the time of the Prophet peace be upon him. They are obviously out of our league but they are the example we are set. Nowadays people will try to follow the minimum rather than max (to get us to the highest level in paradise) and the more we do the more it pleases God. That said even Mary covered (like how we saw nuns back in the day) and it's very similar to how Muslims dress, men or women.
The only difference with that is we don't have the concept of nuns etc who abstain from sex. We're told we are human and humans have needs so it's all good as long as it's after marriage with commitment from both parties and it doesn't need a big amount of cash, just two witness and saying I have accepted the other person as my husband / wife.
However the man is recommended to give mahr (dowry) to the wife. The female does not have to give anything. If they divorce soon though she give sit back so no gold digger situation can come here either. I could go on and on....

I wore head covering for about ten years (wasn't Muslim, it was other personal and cultural reasons, I stopped a bit over a year ago) and due to my cloth caps being thin I didn't feel particularly hot when wearing them but during the summer I did notice my hair being sweatier and more difficult to manage from that when I took my cap off. It did help keep my long hair off my neck and out of my face when windy which was useful for me, I'm still trying to figure out how to tame my hair from going frizzy and such now I'm not covering it.

There were times when I took it off when I got home and other busier times when either I was in and out of the house or we had other people in the house a lot where I put it on in the morning and didn't take it off until getting ready for bed as it was easier than thinking about it or the anxiety I got when caught out when someone arrived unexpectantly.

To the poster who wondered where my family originate from, it's nothing to do with that. I don't follow culture and follow Islam. I'm the first to fight silly cultural aspects that get into religion.

The problem here is we don't just follow the Qur'an. We follow the person who was sent the Qur'an too. Qur'an and Hadeeth go hand in hand, the hadeeth explains many aspects of the Qur'an. This is the sad thing today where it's easy for people to attack but how many have actually dedicated years of their lives to study under a scholar and not just go to a teacher as a kid?

The jinn thing isn't just about loos. Even after sunset (maghrib) we're encouraged to stay in for that time. I could go on and on with this too but you could just pick up a Muslim book about jinns and it will all be in there. Or this thread is going to turn into you don't know what you're talking about jinns thread by keyboard warriors.

To the poster who asked what a jinn in. Basically jinns were made before humans. They were made from fire whilst we were made from clay. Before humans were made (Adam being the first human), the angels did ask Allah (God) about it as some jinns became mischievous (emphasis on SOME, not all) and wondered if humans would turn out the same (this is where the belief in free will comes in). This story is mentioned in the second chapter of the Qur'an if anyone wants to have a read.

Jinns can see us but we cannot see them. Same as angels. Although angels only do good and do not break rules, it's the way they've been made.
Angels have a good detailed history too. We are told we have an angel by each shoulder, one records the good deeds and one records the bad. If we sincerely repent for bad deeds they erase what's in the book. On the day of Judgement these books will be placed on the scale to determine whether heaven or hell is our abode.
There was an angel (Jibreel/Gabriel) who was the angel for revelation so that was to all Prophets.
There is an angel who will blow the trumpet for the last day.
Etc etc.

And this went from a headscarf/new neighbour thread to jinns and that's not true! and hopefully talking about nicer things like angels!

With God's permission they shower blessings on us especially in gatherings where there is good happening.

I believe in jinns
It would be arrogant to think we were the only creations. And I feel a lot of unexplained Incidences may be jinn related.

FastSlug 😊- evidently you know what I mean.

CaparaAlecha to name just a few. It's interesting how some of these situations are virtually unknown.

It's sounding like djinns are very close relatives of hobgoblins. Which is backing up my theory, that everywhere west of the Urals has a pretty similar cultural background. We argue (bitterly) about the details, but fundamentally we're all People of The Book. Hugs xxx to all of us xxx

Lots of x posts.

The good angel on the right shoulder and the bad demon on the left is part of Christian tradition. If you spill salt you have to chuck it over your left shoulder, so it goes into the demons's eyes.

Because salt will kill the demon.

We're not really that different when it comes to superstitions are we... Islam, Christianity, Judiasm???

It was me who asked what a jinn was as If never heard of them. Thanks for the explanations, this thread's very educational and making me cleverer
Seriously, love this thread, it's very informative.

Ooh, I do the salt thing! (Christian upbringing).

And it's only about 200 years ago that protestant Christianity finally gave up on insisting that women should cover their hair in public.

The thing that worries me most is that Christianity took about 400 years to do its reformation - the bit from Luther (1490 ish) through to Vatican 2 (1960 ish) - and there are still problems even now. I fear that Islam is going to take just as long to get through the issues of differing opinions from its leaders, both past and present.

th say 'we' follow hadeeths ( books about prophets supposed life) but not all Muslims do. i follow the Quran only, therefore I believe in the prophets and fasting and halal way of living but not things that are not mentioned in the Quran like hijab or circumcision or celebrating milad etc.
The reason for this is that the Quran states that the Quran is the final book that we should be following and that it is complete so why would I follow something that was written many hundreds of years after it?
Anyway that's a bit of tangent so apologies but I'm just trying to state that there's so many different ways of wearing the hijab if you wear it at all. If you were to ask the person wearing hijab I don't think they would mind answering questions at all.

Hi lolli,

I understand why some would decide to follow the Quran only as we know its authenticity. However, we know we must perform salah as it is prescribed in the Quran, yet how to pray is not stated in the Quran. That is established and taken from the hadeeth. That is why I believe that we must follow the Quran AND the sunnah.

Just wanted the reiterate what Babba said about covering your hair in the bathroom, it’s isnt a cultural thing at all (though I will confess to frequently forgetting!)

The only annoying bit about wearing a scarf for me is that it can get a bit sweaty around my neck, probably due to increased material folded round there. I wouldn’t say it makes me too hot though. Secretly I would like to feel the wind on my neck when it’s really hot but it’s no big deal.

Jinns are a fascinating subject but one that I try not to think about much.... I spent a night in an old hospital a few years ago and most definitely was not alone. Not a chance I’d stay there again!