Transgender stuff - only on Mumsnet - am I weird?!

[obliviousperson]

The only time I ever read or heard about transgender stuff is on Mumsnet.

I live in London, I travel a lot. As far as I know I know no one who has changed gender. I have never had a transgender issue that has affected me. Not in changing rooms or swimming pools or anywhere.

It is a bigger deal on this website than in my real life. No one I know has had any issues.

Is it hype? I don't understand!!!!

Well you met Germaine Greer? She’s a massive celeb for years. But she was creaming so maybe could t share her knowledge with you op. Best stick to Katie Price or Arge.

How depressing

Anyone can meet Germaine Greer if they buy a ticket!

www.ents24.com/uk/tour-dates/germaine-greer

Just don't take your hot DH along!

Never get the stealth boast thing.

With the op on this. No one gives s crap what her or her dh say they do as no one really knows in RL. The op could be a massive twat and a goady mysogynistic liar or a proper innocent mixing in the PR industry with her dh and both never ever heard of gender issues.

Don’t judge

Can't help noticing you're ignoring my "I agree" posts

Hmm.

WomaninGreen Fucking hell, needy much?!

Oh well, got to sleep. Will catch up in the morn.

Glad I put it out there. Night all.

Anyhoo, in case you want to pass it on at nursery/Pilates/mums groups, the petition is:
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

It would be great to get more people talking about it IRL and OP you seem to have read about the issues via MN and happy to discuss so do pass it on...

Oh dear womaninGreen

You were too measured and answered the questions. That wasn’t wanted. Big mistake

I was going for lighthearted, based on this little gem among others. "We do premieres, we do the charity functions, we do the fundraisers... In our lives it is not a big thing."

But yes, it would be unbelievably stupid to open your mouth in public as a celebrity except to toe the diversity line. Twitter and Tumblr would eviscerate you. If you're a professional then you know your audience.

I think Mumsnet has a lot of teachers and educational facilitators on it who are on the frontline with this stuff.

I also don't think society generally gives a big shit about women, or things like women's sports and scholarships and refuges. If it did it would be protecting them while enabling others. As it is - yeah, a lot of silence.

Needy women aye! We are a pain arnt we

Ohmydayslove

Yes, I prefer to take these people seriously as it can be confusing

However, I missed the "creaming" thing originally so now I am clearer what's going on! But then again, there may be lurkers for whom this is useful info.

The op isn’t a celebrity though she says. Just knows loads apparently. Ah well sleep tight all.

woman agree she/he had me at creaming!

And that’s not a sentence I write generally

I'm also with the op in this.

I also live in London, and meet lots of people daily through work and volunteering from all walks of life. I have never, to my knowledge, met someone who is 'trans', other than when I went to a talk given by two transwomen on transsexual issues.

I have never encountered any issues with changing rooms, toilets, etc, that certain mumsnetters are obsessed with.

I couldn't care less what sexuality/gender/race/etc another person identifies with.

Actually, on reflection I do know of two trans people. One was bullied for it relentlessly, and the other was murdered. I barely knew them though.

Most Mumsnet users who post on the issues (including transwomen!) are worried about the logical consequences of self-ID (and the possibilities of abuse). There's also worry over a current wave of what seems to be social contagion in the young leading to increased rates of drastic treatments.

They're not "anti-trans" or obsessed with toilets FFS.

Do you don’t know any trans people apart from those 4.

What’s with the obsession with London by the way most mumsnetter don’t live in London as don’t the vast majority of the UK.

Mogleflop spot on.

I live in london and had a F2M trans in my school. I have seen a few M2F trans in my daily life.
Im not bothered by trans people tbh t if anyone wants me to call them an alien from pluto i dont care it does not affect my life

I would only call an alien from Pluto an alien from Pluto if they were an alien from Pluto.

If a man puts on a dress and wants to be called Sally and not Stan bloody good on them that’s fine and we should respect that.

What I can’t support is Sally in a dress but with a cock accessing women’s sports, women’s prisons or women’s refugee or giving me any gynae procedures without my full consent that sally is a bloke. Or be on an all women short list or woman of the year when Sally still has that cock.

Because Sally is a man.

I have two family members who have transitioned (mtf)

Several people I've met through work (I work in the Arts).

Unisex/gender neutral toilets (with no female-only alternative) in several theatres I work in.

It is definitely an issue in my real life. (I'm in London).

No one I know cares either way.

As someone else said, it's only on MN where people seem so frothy. I think they enjoy it.

I don't care about toilets and changing rooms.

Are you talking about the Gender Recognition Act?

I dont think anybody has an issue with trans people so much as the redefinition of gender. So, this will mean that any man can state he identifies as a women to access woman spaces. We already see this happening in prisons in Scotland where the GRA was passed. Do you see any problem with for example a man identifying as a women then working in a women’s refuge, hanging out on pub toilets or measuring your daughters first bra?

I have had discussions outside of mumsnet about trans issues like prisons, refuges etc. In my (small) sample I've found that people are aware of the important issues raised but they manage to talk about it politely and respectfully without going on about trans women being "blokes" and going on about their "cocks" etc. People also seem able to discus the rub between trans rights and women's rights without terms like "TERF" and "handmaiden" getting thrown around.

I live in a rural area and know a lot of f to m's, all unhappy young girls who hate their bodies. A few years ago they would have had an eating disorder, some of them have that too. They are all lesbians too and autistic, this is the route for girls who dare to not girl properly.

I know several decent trans women, effeminate men who found life easier as women than feminine men. I have also known lots of autogynephilic men, they are having a field day at the moment and are on the cusp of having complete access to women and girls.

We used to know the difference between a transsexual, a man with a fetish and an unhappy young girl. Now we shove them all under one umbrella and tell them they are the same.

I am so worried about feminine gay men, lesbian girls and autistic girls, they are the grist for the mill. We are losing our gay youth, the homophobia and misogyny I see is deeply upsetting.

Also see women athletes losing to men, women politicians replaced by men, jeez, it's everywhere.