How is this still allowed?!

[NotUmbongoUnchained]

My friends just sent me this! How are these still allowed to be sold?!

In what logical way can a Golliwog be likened to Lolita and Mein Kampf?! The arguments supporting racism on this thread are astounding

I'm not comparing Mein Kampf to a toy. I'm responding to the statement claiming that racist things should not be sold.

Racism isn't dealt with by sweeping it away, but by facing up to it and educating people.

@JellySlice there is a distinct difference between allowing racist and offensive works to exist to educate later generations, and selling offensive images for a profit

Yes, I am referencing the fact that they are both nasty.

Mein Kampf is a record of racism and should be observed as such, not used in fun or as a toy.

The golliwog is a record of racism and should be observed as such, not used in fun or as a toy..

(Perfectly put, GladAllOver.)

Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought that in this year of 2018 enough education has taken place and therefore tolerance needs to be reined in.

No, I dont think enough education has taken place. Just see how many posters on this thread (and all others relating to these dolls, that come up every year) think that gollies are fine.

Educating people about racism can ever stop, otherwise people become complacent.

@PomegranateTit , I don't understand your problem with what I'm saying. I am not saying that it's Ok to sell golly mugs. I am saying quite the opposite, and having been consistently supporting the position that they are racist, as well as explaining how they are racist.

@JellySlice my apologies, I misunderstood your last post and looking back I do agree with you

In YOUR opinion.Surely racism is about thoughts, beliefs and judgments . None of which an inanimate object can have! I think you mean that people who make, sell or buy these objects are racist? But it those people don't associate gollys with black people ,just a cuddly toy, then your argument doesn't hold up..
No, not just in my opinion. Your argument is the logical fallacy here; not mine. My argument holds up perfectly well. A flag is an inanimate object, a tattoo is inanimate, think about it...
Do take a look at the Jim Crow museum link I posted earlier. It'll give you a whole history. So, are Golliwogs racist. Yes. Not just my opinion.

In YOUR opinion.Surely racism is about thoughts, beliefs and judgments . None of which an inanimate object can have! I think you mean that people who make, sell or buy these objects are racist? But it those people don't associate gollys with black people ,just a cuddly toy, then your argument doesn't hold up..

This pish is only ever spouted by the sort of people who do hold racist beliefs and ignore anyone who says otherwise because they aren’t as extreme as some.

That doesn’t make you not racist, it makes you a fool and an arrogant one at that for believing you know it all.

But it those people don't associate gollys with black people ,just a cuddly toy, then your argument doesn't hold up

I defy anyone to say they’re not aware that it doesn’t cause widespread offence though. So even if it’s ‘just a cuddly toy’ they are aware that it causes offence, especially to black people, but they don’t care. And being aware that you’re going to cause offence to a certain group of people (black) and not caring is racism. Unless you’re allowing a free for all for offence and Madeline McCann, the Aushwitz sign, Hitler and Fred West mugs are okay too? Or is it just black people who have to put up with emblems of horrible events printed on mugs)

I'm Black. Golliwogs are a racist caricature of Black peoples and are offensive.

In 2010 I saw those mugs on sale at a Blackpool market while on holiday. I was so shocked that I pointed and laughed at them loudly which embarrassed the market stall holder (she knew she was in the wrong!). I'm from London so had no idea there were corners of the country where they were still being openly sold.

I was on that holiday with my white husband's white 80 year old grandmother. She was confused by my shock as she had no idea that golliwogs were racist. To be honest, I didn't expect her to know. But here is the crucial bit: when I explained to my oblivious 80 year old, white, northern, low-educated, village dwelling, grandmother-in-law why they were racist, she LISTENED, took in what I was saying, PROCESSED the information and UNDERSTOOD. In contrast her grammar school educated, well travelled, baby boomer son (my FIL) put a golliwog on his Facebook page a few years later and didn't delete it when the offence was explained to him. So now I'm very low contact with him and he hardly sees his mixed race grandson.

The most offensive thing on this thread and in all conversations about golliwogs and other anti-POC things is that when the offensive nature is explained to white people they insist on telling you that you are wrong and that they, the white person knows much better about what is and isn't racist to a black person. What the fuck is that?!

"Get over it"

True dickhead's comment, bravo.

Does it matter what colour the person saying its right or wrong is ?

PP I too heard an argument over golliwogs in shop in Corfe Castle, so many other things to sell re ENID Blyton so weird to sell them.

Stuff like this perpetuates all sorts of nasty connotations... of course they should be banned.

This thread isn't gong anywhere, no one is going to change their opinions. It's just going to descend into name calling (see above). Waste of time.

Chocolatedeficitdisorde

Excellent picture illustrating it. I also found the uniform aspect bizarre and uncomfortable. Its like those lamps of little black boys holding up the shade..

2nd base I disagree.

I never felt comfortable with golly wogs but I never knew exactly why. It was thread like this ages and ages ago that really explained it to me.

It's not about being easily offended, it's about the difference between right and wrong.

It's wrong to sell something with what is now very widely accepted to be a racist symbol on, simple as that.

Even if the shopkeeper doesn't personally find them offensive they must be aware that so many people do, which should be enough for them not to put them on their shelves.

Does it matter what colour the person saying its right or wrong is?

Is that a serious question?

It really bothers me that this is an actual debate. In 2018-there are still people actually defending the sale of what can best be described as racist memorabilia because it was once seen as 'cute'. It's fucking sad.

It's just a doll from a jar of marmalade. Get over it.
It's just your ignorance on display...