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How is this still allowed?!

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NotUmbongoUnchained · 09/05/2018 12:31

My friends just sent me this! How are these still allowed to be sold?!

How is this still allowed?!
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Smeddum · 09/05/2018 18:14

I should clarify I don’t usually refer to her as my “black best mate” that was for context on here!

flumpybear · 09/05/2018 18:19

I used to love mine, his name was Butter, brothers was called Bread!
Then we realised it was totally inappropriate... tho it was the 1970's and we were about 5

Not impressed, should be banned

TinklyLittleLaugh · 09/05/2018 18:23

And they're not a black doll. They don't look like a black person. They look like an ugly mocking caricature of a black person.

Weedsnseeds1 · 09/05/2018 18:23

I was guessing at Trago Mills. Racism and homophobia were pretty much the company mission statement at one point, although they seem to have calmed down a little in latter yearsGrin

Chocolatedeficitdisorder · 09/05/2018 18:31

Apart from the facial features, the outfit was always meant to represent the uniform of a house slave.

How is this still allowed?!
Lallypopstick · 09/05/2018 18:36

Lola, even your username seems racist now in light of your comments.

AmazingGrace16 · 09/05/2018 18:37

Thanks for clarifying the morris dancing. It wasn't morris dancing but was similar.
I guess I was confused because the group recently split over the black face debate with some not wanting to do it and some wanting to do it completely. I had wrongly assumed it was linked to race as if it isn't I don't really see the issue?
I'm definitely naive to it all and don't claim to be educated so time I did some more research!

NotACleverName · 09/05/2018 18:37

I swear to god some people on this website think only straight up lynchings and calling a black person the n-word is racist. Some of you are either spectacularly obtuse for the sake of it/just plain uneducated.

C8H10N4O2 · 09/05/2018 18:41

Don't be so fucking rude

That is quite the chip on your shoulder there

UserV · 09/05/2018 18:46

I see them often in seaside towns, especially in Wales.

Gilead · 09/05/2018 18:50

It isn't black people that hate them though it's white people.
I'm not white. Not black, either. I hate them.
There are people on this thread who are not white. There are people on this thread who are white and are married to people who aren't white. You're talking nonsense.

NotUmbongoUnchained · 09/05/2018 18:52

I’ll tell you a black persons who hates them. My black grandad. Who was had “Gollywog” spat at him all through his youth.
A gollywog is a not a black doll. Black people do not look like that.

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UserV · 09/05/2018 19:10

I normally get a bit irked at the amount of PC-ness in society today, but I do cringe a bit when I see anywhere selling them, or anyone WITH one.

I agree totally that they are dated and pretty obnoxious and offensive symbols of racism, as they are a caricature of a black person. And anyone who says black people are never offended by them is deluded.

However, I think there a few genuinely innocent and naive people who honestly don't see the harm in them. These are people who have probably never mixed with black people, or lived in communities with them.

I live in a rural 95% white village now, but grew up in Wolvo, where there were a decent amount.

I worked with them, and I socialised with them, and had a few black neighbours, and although they were mostly pretty cool about a lot of stuff, and rarely complained, they very definitely were NOT cool about golliwogs.

Slippery slope to ban them, but as a pp said, hopefully they will just die a death. They're bleedin' awful really. As a pp said, 'golliwog' was a typical insult aimed at black folk at school, along with a few others which I shall not name - you can probably guess! So how anyone can say they are not offensive just eludes me!

JellySlice · 09/05/2018 19:12

I neither hate nor love them. I remember my childhood golly (long lost) with affection. Like a PP, it didn't represent an actual person to me, any more than my white teddy represented a carnivorous polar bear.

However, it is entirely clear that a golly is a racist caricature. Whether or not it offends me, a white person, is irrelevant. It offends many of those it caricatures. Nuff said.

Andrewofgg · 09/05/2018 19:13

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TheFirstMrsDV · 09/05/2018 19:17

I don't think they should be illegal but

Lolita?
really?

I don't see any defending Lolita as a sweet love story and accusing anyone who thinks its a depiction of insidious peadophillia of being ridiculous.

Gilead · 09/05/2018 19:19

Lola and Never what is it about defending the indefensible that appeals to you?

TinklyLittleLaugh · 09/05/2018 19:22

Lolita is actually a depiction of insidious paedophilia. The reader is supposed to realise that the narrator is unreliable and deluded. It's really not about sexy little teenage temptresses. (and says a lot about you if you think it is).

MillicentF · 09/05/2018 19:25

"Slippery slope to ban them"

Slippery slope to what?

SickofThomasTheTank · 09/05/2018 19:32

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TheFirstMrsDV · 09/05/2018 19:33

Lolita is actually a depiction of insidious paedophilia
That is literally exactly how I described it

Flatpackjackie · 09/05/2018 19:33

It's not just "white people" for crying out loud! Anyone can recognise a horrible, degrading, mocking, grotesque caricature when I see one.

Golliwogs should long gone, along with disgraceful 'mammy' and 'pickaninny' images.

TheFirstMrsDV · 09/05/2018 19:35

It was a lovely Surgeon from Kashmir who saved my Father's life.... x

Well, God, yeah.
That totally proves you are incapable of excusing racism.

Smeddum · 09/05/2018 19:37

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NotUmbongoUnchained · 09/05/2018 19:38

“You White people” don’t have hundreds of years of fucking abuse behind it.

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