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Original poster

The total collapse of ukip should mean a brexit revote

124 replies

jnfrrss · 04/05/2018 06:57

Seeing that their support has collapsed by over 90% this indicates many have changed their mind on it!

Aibu to say this is a perfect example of why a revote is needed?

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Pengggwn · 04/05/2018 07:00

I don't see why. You don't get to vote with the caveat that, if you change your mind, we'll have another vote.

And I voted Remain.

Angelicinnocent · 04/05/2018 07:01

Alternatively, the total collapse of UKIP means that people voted for them to get a Brexit referendum and now we have had it, are looking at other issues. UKIP was a 1 issue party and having achieved that, what else do they offer, particularly in local government.

SquirmOfEels · 04/05/2018 07:04

No, it shouidn't mean that at all.

When a predominantly single issue party has that single issue decided in a way they accept, then there's no need for it to exist. It is in no way an indicator of anything else.

Fatted · 04/05/2018 07:04

It's probably collapsed because now brexit is happening, people have seen through the fact they are a one trick pony who don't actually have any other real policies.

I voted remain but know plenty of people who voted leave. None of which supported or voted for ukip. Also, the elections yesterday were local council elections. Not everywhere had one, so the results don't indicate the whole population.

annandale · 04/05/2018 07:04

What angelic said. Anti Brexit parties haven't done particularly well. I believe many voters think we've already left the EU.

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jnfrrss · 04/05/2018 07:05

Yes you do get to revote on other things every four years!

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resetEntries · 04/05/2018 07:07

No.

I think it shows the opposite. No one wanted UKIP to be in power but they agreed with their one policy.

Now that we are leaving the EU they can look to parties which can actually run the country. Sadly that's difficult at the moment with Corbyn still around(ish).

Lifeontheoceanwave · 04/05/2018 07:08

Eh? Why would that happen. More people voted to leave than voted to stay so in a democracy the leave vote had it. UKIPs entire reason for being was to secure an eu referendum, this happened therefore no call for UKIP anymore. Most people have moved on now, I suggest you do too op. It’s not going to change, please use your energies for something constructive you can actually influence

annandale · 04/05/2018 07:09

Yes which is why the referendum was such a stupid fucking dictator's scumbag idea in the first place. But I'm not convinced the great British public are anything other than totally satisfied with the outcome - based on the results. A 1% swing to the Tories outside London? Does that suggest a brewing rebellion against government policy?

EmmaGrundyForPM · 04/05/2018 07:10

I voted remain, I believe passionately that leaving the EU is detrimental to the country, but I don't agree that the collapse of UKIP means people have changed their mind.

UKIP has achieved what it set out to do. It now has no other purpose and has descended into chaos. It would be very surprising if people did still vote for it.

Peanutbuttersquash · 04/05/2018 07:13

I'm a remainer, but how on earth would a vote every four years work, or even every ten?
The negotiations and work going into brexit will take 2yrs+, we may not even be fully extracted for 4+ years. The amount of money it'll cost to leave, not only the cost of negotiations and the "divorce bill" but the loss of eu funding for many of our poorest areas (one of which I was born in). How can we start and stop something like this every few years? Especially if we re vote now, it would set a ridiculous precedent.
I don't want brexit to go ahead but at this point I don't see a viable alternative.
Putting a stop to it when our relations with the EU have already soured + people (mostly the right but some in the left too) would be up in arms about the lack of democracy in a democratic country.
See above about a revote setting a ridiculous precedent that would take too much of a logistical nightmare and cost to actually uphold...
so what then? How do you envision this working?
And what if there was a revote and it was still "leave"? Would you want to try again in four years?

As above, I don't think the lack of Ukip supporters is actually a sign of anything tbh.
For one not all brexiters are ukip supporters, add in the fact that they were basically a one trick pony. The only policies of theirs I can think of is reversing the smoking ban in pubs and brexit. Not exactly an inspiring party (and I say that as a smoker! Grin )

RoundaboutSnail · 04/05/2018 07:15

I assume former UKIP voters know it would be a wasted vote, so they are voting for whichever party they think will implement Brexit and also on their other policies for our country.

surferjet · 04/05/2018 07:16

Oh dear op.
I’m embarrassed for you.
UKIP were a one policy party. Get us out of the EU ( the clue was in their name ) that job was done when leave won the referendum.
No need for UKIP now.

twelly · 04/05/2018 07:16

People vote for different things at different elections. This election was not about Brexit, that vote has vine snd gone

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jnfrrss · 04/05/2018 07:28

Well no we are a long way off leaving and brexit is constantly changing!

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NewYearNewMe18 · 04/05/2018 07:32

UKIP was a one trick pony.

kingjofferyworksintescos · 04/05/2018 07:34

Strong remain voter here
UKIP doesn't have a role in council elections
As a party they had one main cause - to leave Europe and they achieved the referendum on that issue which means they are now redundant

annandale · 04/05/2018 07:35

What is constantly changing? We are currently headed for a hard Brexit, as we have been since art50 was triggered. The government ignores what the Eu says in public. Tbh there will be a last minute fudge of some kind because of Ireland - I guess may is going to hold onto Arlene like a rubber ring until the last minute, then will fuck her over at the last second (as happened last dec) and will hope for inertia to get us across the line of an Eu agreement brokered by varadkar.

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jnfrrss · 04/05/2018 08:00

Every day there's a new story on brexit. This week there was the issue with the lord's!

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DarklyDreamingDexter · 04/05/2018 08:07

UKIP achieved its objective. They never had any other identifiable policies apart from Brexit and since Farahe left, they've had a steam of total numpties as leaders. The party has collapsed - doesn't follow that people's views of Brexit have changed.

DarklyDreamingDexter · 04/05/2018 08:08

Farage

SilverySurfer · 04/05/2018 08:09

Don't be so ridiculous.

FleurDelacoeur · 04/05/2018 08:12

That's not the way I'm reading it at all. UKIP was all about leaving the EU and they achieved their aim. Now that Brexit is happening, people who supported UKIP have now moved back to other parties. It doesn't mean that those people who were "leave" voters have changed their mind.

I voted remain and am not happy about Brexit. But that doesn't mean we need to keep rerunnning the referendum until the result changes. That's SNP tactics up here after they were told a firm NO to the Scottish independence question - they are constantly harping on about another one.

pilates · 04/05/2018 08:15

You’re talking rubbish

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 04/05/2018 08:16

YABU.

There is no reason for UKIP anymore, it has achieved its aim. If Brexit was stopped I think you’d find UKIP had a massive reassurgence because it would then be needed.