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The total collapse of ukip should mean a brexit revote

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jnfrrss · 04/05/2018 06:57

Seeing that their support has collapsed by over 90% this indicates many have changed their mind on it!

Aibu to say this is a perfect example of why a revote is needed?

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NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 05/05/2018 07:06

I don't disagree that brexit is fucking stupid, the thing is, it's the vote we had a chance to make that view heard, it wasn't.

Sorry it wasn't, ok can we call a GE tomorrow cos Jeremy Cunt, is now in charge of social care, that's something I care deeply deeply about, no of course we can't. Can America call a presidential election cos it's realised it's president is a gun tooting, racist dick, no, because he was voted in, no fucking Idea why, the same with brexit, it's idiotic, racist, going to cause more extremism and quite possibly terrorism than boarder controls are going to solve. But it was a fair vote.

What we have to do is work hard to neoigate the best posiable way to negate as much as possible the negative impact of brexit.

I fear it's not going to be posiable with NI, but see that wasn't even mentioned in all the campaigning was it

unbalancedBella · 05/05/2018 07:20

The Northern Ireland issue was mentioned in the campaign - Major and Blair went there together to draw attention to it. But the Leavers just shouted "project fear" and brushed it away.

I'm not asking for a "second" referendum (by the way it would be the third) but a vote on the actual deal we get - as opposed to all the unicorns and free rainbows we were promised.

jugglingsatsumas · 05/05/2018 07:40

IF it can be shown that the campaign or vote was tampered with or there was illegal activity by either side then you have a case for a record.

What? Like interference from the Russians?
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/russian-influence-brexit-vote-detailed-us-senate-report

Or breaking electoral rules?
uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-donation/former-brexit-activist-says-uks-leave-campaign-broke-funding-rules-idUKKBN1H00R8

That's before you even get on to the legality of denying thousands of British citizens abroad the right to vote.
www.internationalinvestment.net/brexit/expat-campaigner-spearheads-legal-attempt-to-stop-brexit/

Ohyesiam · 05/05/2018 07:43

Don’t worry, Brexit is going to collapse anyway.

Yarnswift · 05/05/2018 07:48

Yes juggling that’s exactly what I meant.

There’s a lot of evidence that the way the campaigns were run was illegal. That’s the way if it has to be challenged.

The skewing of social media reporting, the influence of fake news and news algorithms putting biased or untrue material in front of people is important too. It’s corruption.

There should never have even been a referendum imo.

falang · 05/05/2018 07:51

So you think all leave voters were UKIP supporters? Don't be so silly

TomPinch · 05/05/2018 07:57

OP, the Lib Dems' vote has also collapsed, or at least failed to revive.

So, no need for a revote then?

Mousefunky · 05/05/2018 07:59

UKIP (well, mostly Farage) were a one trick pony and now they have sadly achieved what they wished for, they serve no purpose.

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 05/05/2018 08:02

The Northern Ireland issue was mentioned in the campaign - Major and Blair went there together to draw attention to it. But the Leavers just shouted "project fear" and brushed it away.*

Ok well given the work they both did on the peace process, I dont know why i said it wasn't mentioned because i undersrand why they would mention it.

But what i meant it wasnt mentioned by the Camerons, johnsons, farages, the faft it took two former prime minsters to draw attenrion to it says it all

bananasandwicheseveryday · 05/05/2018 08:09

I love how remained are so desperate to find a way to force a new vote. It's a shame they didn't feel so strongly about a remote after the 1975 referendum. Would I just be being cynical if I said this might be because they didn't feel a need to stamp their feet then as the vote went their way.

littlebillie · 05/05/2018 08:56

Amused that they describe the party as the Black Death 🤔

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 05/05/2018 09:22

And bananas has just proved my point about why its treads like this that cause trouble.

As actually the reply to this thread says bananas not all remainers are desparate for a revote, we do actally accept democry. Please stop calling us names and thinking you know how we feel because a few say things like this.

bananasandwicheseveryday · 05/05/2018 12:22

@NaughtToThreeSadOnions I did not call you or anybody else names. I also understand that some remainers accept the result of a democratic vote. Unfortunately, that hasn't prevented an awful lot of remainers from making assumptions about those who voted leave - 'racist'and 'stupid' being just two of the milder insults I've seen used, on this site as well as others.

Yorkshirebetty · 05/05/2018 13:00

How ridiculous. Not everyone voted Leave also voted UKIP! Lazy stereotyping.

RoundaboutSnail · 05/05/2018 13:55

True Yorkshirebetty. It would be statistically impossible for that to have been the case.

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 05/05/2018 14:02

Actually banana most remainers aren't as people say REMOANERS (this is what I mean by calling people names) we accept the result.

It's a minority who start threads like this, and you did tar us all with the same brush. Thank you

EleanorHooverbelt · 05/05/2018 14:04

If people didn't realise their vote was binding, then they do now!

lljkk · 05/05/2018 14:52

I accept the result. I also reserve my right to moan about it as much as I like.

Euro-Skeptics spent 40 yrs moaning about the result they didn't like (1970s referendum). I've got at least 38 years of catchup owed to me.

Quartz2208 · 05/05/2018 14:56

UKIP had one purpose - to get Brexit, once that happened it was clear that they had very little in the way to offer in a manifesto so unsurprisingly no one votes for them anymore

Also I had a meeting with someone who works at the European Commission and the feeling there is very much we have decided to go so we are going.

Its a bit like we are the partner who had an affair and are now unsure whether to go back. Its doesnt make any difference because they do not want us back

Kursk · 05/05/2018 14:58

A revote is irrelevant the UK is doomed anyway.

A revote would be like re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Radyward · 05/05/2018 14:59

It was a democratic result. Get over it

Costcoqueen · 05/05/2018 15:33

No

theduchessstill · 05/05/2018 15:34

It wasn't democratic at all really. It was based on lies, half truths and very likely criminal activity. So no, we don't have to accept it and get over it at all.

Don't agree that the collapse of ukip reflects anything other than the fact that there is no need for them anymore and, other than Farage (who is hateful but effective) they are a talentless bunch who most people would be embarrassed to vote for.

WorldWideWanderer · 05/05/2018 15:47

Like others have said, UKIP stood for getting out of the EU. Now that we're getting out anyway, there is no need for them as the Conservatives are taking us out and they also offer other policies (whether you agree with them or not).
UKIP did their job, they are over. However, leaving the EU is still what many people want....myself included....and so we are now voting Cons and hope they keep up the momentum. I voted to leave and no, I have not changed my mind.....

SunwhereareyouShowyourself · 05/05/2018 15:50

No not at all. It means ukip served their purpose and no one needs to vote for them anymore. I strongly suspect if anything went wrong with brexit. Ukip would rise up again. It was tactical voting.

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