To think Jamie Oliver shouldn't be so smug about getting artificial sweeteners in ribena

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www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/01/sugar-fat-junk-obsesity-uk-hugh-jamie-parliament-health-committee

He's calling it beautiful that the sugar tax that he campaigned and persuaded the government to implement "a beautiful thing" as ribeana has half the sugar now. But it's still just as sweet as it's been replaced with artifical sweeteners so don't see how its improving anything, could be making it woorse.

Are we a nation of toddlers?

Having read 3 pages of tantrums, it looks like it! And taking the piss out of his kids' names for good measure. What a thread.

The first result was from Harvard university

And nothings been banned, super sweet drinks are still for sale. It's just changed from being natural sugar that's well understood and been consumed for thousands of years to artifical sweetneners that are a very new addition to the human diet.

It’s just changed from being natural sugar that’s well understood and been consumed for thousands of years.

Yes, but no way was it consumed at the levels it’s consumed at today. It used to be a luxury product rather than a cheap additive to hook in addicts and make highly processed foods more palatable.

Diabetes UK took issue with Oliver and the plans to reduce sugar in Lucozade. Lucozade has been recommended to Type 1 Diabetics to treat hypoglycemia episodes for years, as the body can absorb the sugar from it quicker than sweets or other items containing sugar. However the manufactures were persuaded to reduce the amount of sugar in Lucozade, rendering it virtually useless for diabetics.

Yes, there’s nothing natural at all about the way we consume sugar nowadays.

Take Jamie Oliver out of the equation and a sugar tax, or at least a vast reduction in sugar intake is urgently needed.

Everybody should look at the correlation between national obesity and the amount of carbs consumed to be in no doubt of the driving force behind this pandemic.

The human body requires no carbs whatsoever to be ingested externally. The small amount of glucose required by the brain is easily synthesized by the liver.

If your diet is carb centric, which is true for most, you will find it almost impossible to lose actual fat (not water bound with glycogen) as your body never adapts to fat burning.

The incidence of the introduction of industrial quantities of carbs being consumed in the last few generations is way, way, way too soon for evolution to adapt to healthy carb burning.

We have been designed to process fats and protein efficiently, but we are deliberately short circuiting this mechanism.

Governments and the food industry are undoubtedly largely responsible for food supply, but there is no reason why, especially parents, cannot ensure that their children do not end up obese.

Study after study shows that obese and morbidly obese people have very little chance of ever returning to a sustainable, healthy weight without drastic intervention and even then many manage to put weight on.

Hated him since he took the vending machines away from secondary school and replaced them with a ‘milk bar’. Not him personally but, you know, his pleas to the government. Loved the video of him showing kids what’s in chicken nuggets then asking at the end if they still wanted them- they did .

I have nothing against JO but I detest artificial sweeteners. Just make it less sweet! We all need our tastes adjusting to less sugar in everything.

Genuine question; where are all these obese kids? My dc are in secondary school and I can honestly say there's no more overweight kids than there was when I was at school 40 years ago.we are deep in the shires though so maybe it's a city thing?

Entirely anecdotal but that is my experience. My eldest went to a London primary and the children were huge. Not just fat, but there were reception children taller than my yr6 dd, year 2 and 3 kids clearly through puberty, and most of yr6 were adult size. Most, while not apparently obese, were overweight. My dd was the only child in yr 4 who couldn't make a smiley face out of her abdominal fat.

My younger dd goes to a primary in a semi-rural town. The difference is striking. None of the kids are taller than me, the overweight are the exception, and most look like pre-pubescent primary school kids rather than 15 year olds.

Of course there may be many reasons. The cultural spread was very different- the city school was 70% black african and carribean, the northern school 99% white. Smaller play spaces in the city, more fast food outlets on the way home, fewer children walking to and from school.

Jamie Oliver is a twit. Artificial sweeteners are not well tolerated by many people and I would not be surprised to find that they make consumers hungrier in the long term. There is nothing wrong with sugar and fat in moderation. The issue is that people are time and money poor and the poorest lack the resources and knowledge to make nutritious meals. Sure, you can buy cheap cut of meat, root veg and pulses, but if you don't have time, don't know how, and have to watch your power usage, you just won't be able to take advantage of this.
My suggestion: subsidise fresh fruit and veg, especially in poorer areas. Have a mobile grocer in a van, if need be. Compulsory cooking lessons in schools doing proper cooking from basic ingredients. PE taught in an inclusive way to encourage kids to enjoy movement and try different activities. Cut down on homework so kids spend the evenings playing not swotting.

Agreed, bit that doesn't make AS any better or solve the issue of people being used to super sweet food.

M&S is one of the worst for adding shit loads of sugar to even their salads, but no one goes after them

The human body requires no carbs whatsoever to be ingested externally. The small amount of glucose required by the brain is easily synthesized by the liver.

I have never heard this before, do you have a link to the evidence? People have been eating carbs for thousands of years.

Perhaps some ppl on here should watch the whole Health and Social Care Committee meeting and then return to this debate:

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/14fd35da-3f7f-4207-886d-904fb87fdb03

For example, JO did not endorse Brexit (massive, massive subject) he briefly mentioned it a couple of times e.g. in the context of food labelling, that post Brexit the UK would not have to adhere to EU regulations and it was a chance to enforce stronger/clearer ones.

The meeting was about so, so much more than sugar v as, sugar tax..nothing about taking away consumer choice at all. There were some really interesting facts (yes facts and statistics, but let's not them get in the way of a good JO bashing) about health and food education, food production, poverty and deprivation, access and funding.

I'd encourage a listen to the panel of doctors and professors who preceeding JO and HFW section of the meeting too.

totally agree the sugar tax had backfired horribly

I avoid artificial sweeteners and say to have a little of sugar than a lot of sweeteners

At least sugar is natural

Various things over the years have shown

People who drink "diet" drinks end up fatter than those who drink the sugar ones

Sweeteners do invoke an adrenaline response (important to do with diabetes)

Plus
They taste shit
They're ? Cancer etc some of them
They ruin your palette as they are sweeter than sugar ( they think this is why people who consume them get fatter, things like cake no longer taste "sweet " so more is eaten

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Yeah nice one.

Not adrenaline lol autocorrect insulin

At first he was going to leave the UK if Brexit passed. Then he blamed Brexit for the closure of some of his restaurants. Now Brexit is good. Anyone who believes he's after anything other than his own self-aggrandisement is fooling himself/herself.

On the last point, they run palette, taking pleasure from eating.

You'd think that's the sort of thing he'd cars about.

I'm not sure they realised that the sugar would be taken out/ partially taken out and replaced with sweeteners though? Although I suppose, capitalism, it was obvious.

subsidise fresh fruit and veg, especially in poorer areas. Have a mobile grocer in a van, if need be. Compulsory cooking lessons in schools doing proper cooking from basic ingredients.

Nice idea but unrealistic and too simplistic. Most people know about what’s healthy and what’s not. Kids overdosing on sugar is a parenting issue rather than a health one. I know many educated people who are conscious of their own intake who turn to mush when their kids demand/sweets/won’t drink plain water/will only eat dinner if they get pudding as an incentive/ use sweets and chocolate as a control method instead of parenting techniques. People just can’t say no to their children, and ultimately many parents just want an easier life. When their kids have ended up in hospital having their teeth pulled at the age of 7 it’s ALWAYS ‘they just ate too much fruit’. Yea right. It’s not just a wealth related/education issue. And presumably once your kids are a certain age they will just buy sweets and sugary drinks themselves. I see the best option is to remove as much as possible.

mrsmaria I wholeheartedly agree.

The human body doesn't need carbs? Is that a joke?

You know vegetables are carbs right?

So you're saying we should all stop eating vegetables because the human body doesn't need them?

Riiiight.

J.O. could be less smug full stop. There have been soft drinks with sweeteners available for a long time already. I find the lecturing luvvies jumping on political bandwagons annoying too. When he was known for creating good recipes, fine, but his other endeavours would be done better by others IMO.

I'm not keen on JO cooking programmes. I think children's names are personal and irrelevant.

There is a problem with obesity and excessive sugar consumption is part of the problem. JO wasn't the only one calling for a sugar tax. Surely those of you wanting the sugary versions as a treat really have an issue with the manufacturers. It is the companies that have taken away all choice rather than keep original sugar version and allow shoppers a choice? Campaign to the makers of Ribena and Lucozade to go back to the old recipe and make alternatives.

As for hypocrisy in serving high sugar foods isn't that giving everyone a choice to have a very sweet treat once in a while?

@ sunnymeg

Erm... that's not true.

1. Chris Askew, Diabetes UK’s Chief Executive, said: “We are delighted that Jamie Oliver is highlighting the need to prevent Type 2 diabetes by tackling obesity and calling on the government to act.

2. ..., new Lucozade products now contain approximately 50% fewer glucose-based carbohydrates than before, which means you are likely to need to drink more to use this product to treat a hypo.

We know that people use lots of different products to treat their hypos. It is likely that the sugar content of these will change over time as well, so it’s important to check the label of your hypo treatment of choice regularly.

Source Diabetes UK

@ PP upthread:
Fever-Tree does not contain AS.

I wish posters would get their facts right before posting. JO is to be commended on his campaign. It's not his fault that the drinks/food manufactuers continue aiming their products at children that are now so laden with AS that they have become unpalatable.

Beverages and soft drinks do not have to taste sickly sweet.

Disclaimer: Sweeteners are the food of Satan and I loathe the taste.

Thankfully I don't drink ribena, I did make a thread the other day asking where to find sweetener free lemonade though (m&s).

I have good self control, I lost a lot of weight and maintained for a very long time until I had dc1 and am about to have dc2. I don't see why I should be deprived of things I like because someone thinks that sugar is the cause of problems. When I first lost weight I continued my unhealthy diet in smaller quantities, so I would literally eat my entire calorie allowance for the day in chocolate and that's it. I still lost weight due to less calories, not less sugar! I do eat normally now before I get jumped on for having a bad diet over a decade ago.

Artificial sweeteners give me a headache and the ones that don't give me a headache give me an upset stomach.

If your diet is carb centric, which is true for most, you will find it almost impossible to lose actual fat (not water bound with glycogen) as your body never adapts to fat burning

Rubbish. If you have a calorie deficit you will lose fat. End of. You can achieve that by cutting carbs if you wish, but it's not necessary.