Hooters

[Thirtyrock39]

Would you be pissed off if your partner went to one of these sleazy places? Am I overreacting to be pissed off about dh going to one when he knew I'd be cross about it ? I'm not hopping mad but I'm certainly very unimpressed!

No worries flower. The world would be dull if we all had the same opinion

Just to add to the few posters who think this is a made up or marketing thread it really isn't - I'm a regular poster and find it annoying that you can't raise a genuine issue with a well known brand without people accusing you of being a company rep or similar - I don't think any of my posts have been at all supportive of the bloody place anyway !

I remember Hooters from when I was in Florida as a student in the mid 90s. It was where the old sleaze balls went to ogle girls in hot pants - boak!
I didn’t know it had arrived here. It’s basically a titty bar that sells food. I’d be embarrased if DH went there.

we've also got lots of 'girls' (or as I like to call them - women - adult women) saying it's far from fine - but you just ignore those don't you

Apologies for upsetting you, but I don't see a point in not calling it what it is. To me it is very much exploitation. It cuts both ways, the men who go there are being exploited for money. Does that concept upset you too? Genuine question.

'yes it is offensive to be told you're being exploited. At least I find it offensive for someone to pass that kind of judgement on me. It makes me feel upset.'

But this isn't just about you. It's about me, my daughters and the impact exploitation of women in a mainstream restaurant has on all women. I don't appreciate men shouting out of their car windows at me or whistling when I'm with my children.

But this isn't just about you. It's about me, my daughters and the impact exploitation of women in a mainstream restaurant has on all women. I don't appreciate men shouting out of their car windows at me or whistling when I'm with my children.

This to me is more upsetting than saying a woman working at Hooters is being exploited.

I suppose you think wolf whistling is sexual harassment?

Yes of course whistling is harassment. It's disgusting.

I suppose you don't Dave? Jog on!

And I don't appreciate feeling any more shit about myself than I already do, because of judgement from society and mainly women saying nasty things about the job I do, when I'm just trying to get by. People passing judgement. It may not just be about me, but if you knew anything about my life you'd understand that in the grand scheme of things, keeping my home is way more important than the luxury some people have of being able to have all these thoughts about this kind of thing and criticise people for just trying to do the best they can. Also if you look at jobs like banking and investment banking, the massive harm they do, and the huge amounts of money they make, no one tends to criticise those people, or say they're gross or bad for doing what they do. It's always the women who get criticised and often people who are low earners too. If someone is struggling to get by yes it does make them feel truly bad to hear other women slating them. The judgement is one of the worst bits. The only thing I can think of that feels similar off the top of my head is feeling guilt for not reporting a rape feeling like you are responsible for other people and they will get hurt because of you. Feeling like doing this job harms other people and you have responsibility for that. It is a lot to put on someone if they are just trying to do the best they can in a situation.

Dave's clearly bored tonight. He knows it's sexual harassment, he's just trying to get a rise.

It's ironic that on top of everything else, people doing this job are now being held responsible for harm occuring the other women... brilliant. Maybe look at the MEN who are doing that... rather than putting responsibility on the feet of the women.

well I think it's shit that getting by on minimum wage requires you to wear short shorts and flash your boobs - which is kind of what people are objecting to!

the personal is political

Hooters is rank.

The "amazing" chicken wings...you just KNOW those are some fucked up antibiotic-pumped, water-filled, GMO sad, sad, battery farmed chickens.

And how did anyone think it was a good idea to dress women who work in a sports bar in white tops?? Think of all the beer and sauce that gets spilled.

I generally also feel a bit "urgh" about the whole concept but honestly I really don't think it is too bad. I worked in a strip club in my younger and less feminist "woke" days, and Hooters does not even come close to comparing. I'd be a bit disappointed if my DP went there but honestly that would partly be because I'd just expect him to have better taste in food.

'It's always the women who get criticised and often people who are low earners too.'

^^ exactly right. And that's why I have the opinion I do about companies like Hooters. You've just described the everyday misogyny that exists in our society. Companies like Hooters make these attitudes towards women worse, not better. And reinforce a view that women cannot compete in the workplace against men, they should just look pretty and be subservient.

I am out... leaving... I didn't expect this from other women... all the names in this thread used to describe... all of the nasty words? You should walk a mile in someone else's shoes before all of the judgement, and think about whether it's necessary to be so harsh and derogatory...

Flower - i honestly don't think people are judging the job you do if you work a similar role to this. If you don't feel exploited then fair enough but some people will see things differently to that.

Flower no one is judging you - they are judging the shit that puts you there

Exactly ghosty.

I didn't expect this from other women... all the names in this thread used to describe... all of the nasty words? You should walk a mile in someone else's shoes before all of the judgement, and think about whether it's necessary to be so harsh and derogatory

Again, flowers I don't see these posts. Can you point to them? No one is bashing or name calling women who work there as far as I can see.

Just had a look on-line and it is even more difficult to understand what all the fuss and nonsense is about. I strongly believe this is about very misguided perception over reality. I suspect any guys anticipating something beyond a typical restaurant experience will find themselves disappointed. I am a long way from Nottingham but - otherwise - there is nothing that would make me uncomfortable about my grown up daughters working there or about taking my grand kids for a meal. Clearly, if the reality proved different then I would leave pretty quickly with the grand kids! However, I suspect this is all hype / marketing and little different in practice from most burger / chicken joints.

It’s a restaurant. I’ve seen teenagers with less clothes on.

So have I. On a beach.

So, Homebrew does your missus get to see the Chippendales or suchlike to let off a little steam or is that likely to undermine your masculinity and beer belly?

Personally I would no more 'forbid' my partner from attending a Chippendale concert than I would forbid her from watching movies that I knew had men with their shirts off in, or male nudity. And if she does see the concert or movie and enjoys what she sees, well good luck to her.

But then I haven't been indoctrinated into believing that females finding male physically attractive an enjoying that, is automatically, inherently wrong, via the use of pejoritive language such as exploitation and objectification :)

I guess sexism can be subtle too