Hooters

[Thirtyrock39]

Would you be pissed off if your partner went to one of these sleazy places? Am I overreacting to be pissed off about dh going to one when he knew I'd be cross about it ? I'm not hopping mad but I'm certainly very unimpressed!

noble

I have the perfect name for it...

So basically if you're using your looks to do well in a job it's seen as being really bad. What if they enjoy their jobs? Should they feel bad?

If it wasn't so one-sided and sexist it wouldn't be bad. Fact is that men (as a class) exploit women and see them nothing more as subservient eye candy. It doesn't happen so much the other way round. And it ultimately makes it harder for women to be taken seriously or seen nothing more as sex objects. If women choose to do this job then fair play to them, it's their choice. But I don't for one minute think they aren't being exploited.

I would rather someone say it's not a big deal than someone try to make people feel ashamed about their jobs...

It's hard enough doing that type of work without the criticism from other people. Honestly, the actual stigma and judgement from women is one of the worst parts of it.

@gawdsake I didn't feel exploited when I worked there. If anything I felt like we were exploiting the incredibly drunk men who were throwing their money at us and were locked out and never seen again after last orders! I bet their wallets hurt in the morning. It's a choice to work there and nobody forces women to do it. As I said I had a great laugh!

I would rather someone say it's not a big deal than someone try to make people feel ashamed about their jobs

Who has tried to make anyone feel ashamed of their job? I haven't seen any posts doing that.

Greg "don't stop the women who want to do it."

Again, I haven't seen anyone suggesting a ban.

I wouldn't have a issue with my misses looking at other blokes, don't bother me in the slightest cos I know it's me who gets to give her one lol

Hmmm I think you'd mind if she made a point of going to Hot Bumz once a month and point blank didn't consider going elsewhere when there where other restaurants around. But those Wingz tho....

... and chucking the family coffers at Hot Bumz, exploited by those hunky waiters...

@KimKurl yup I'm well aware the exploitation works both ways. Men get to ogle, women get money.

Doesn't happen do much the other way round though. And you might not see it as you being exploited but I would say you were being.

Would love Barry's missus to say "ey up Barry lad, it's pay day! I'm off to Hot Bumz to sample the delights of the Wingz and the Bunz!"

Barry. It may come as a shock. But we aren't all one hive mind. Just cos some women are fine with it doesn't mean we all have to be.

BetteDavis - that's the whole gist of the thread though isn't it really? Don't get me wrong, I understand where people are coming from to a certain extent. But the language used - these sleazy places, you're being exploited, people "despising shite like that" (so calling it shite), it's "sleazy and grim", if you go you're not a "remotely thinking person", people would be "livid" if their money went on it (because it's so vile, right?), it's "creepy", "euwwwww". Those are just on the first page. If I made those comments about a nurses jobs for example - well, I wouldn't, because I wouldn't want to offend someone.

@helmetbynight it is Tonge in cheek. He heard it once many years ago from an old man when a rather attractive but horribly common woman walked into an up market bar in London. We now use it to describe situations like hooters/strip clubs/gym obsessed men hitting on us etc. Essentially the jist if the joke is that (although it is supposed to be sexually interesting) it is so unpalatable that it cannot be taken seriously. So if someone were to say 'Let's go to hooters to ogle the waitresses' the response would be 'Never touch a prole hole'. Or if my husband said 'I noticed that guy (indicating someone who clearly has nothing going on between the ears but physically attractive) checking you out.' the response would be 'Never touch a prole hole' Obviously it is an in joke but I see no harm sharing it on the Internet. Didn't think that I would have to explain it though.

Yeah. Liven up!

Lighten up! Worse still!

Flower - I don't think people are criticising the job per se; more the requirements for said job. It's not the same thing. No one looks down at waitresses (and if they do they are incredibly snobby). But having to serve food and adhere to wacky rules created by blokes who are looking to exploit women.... therein lies the issue. It's not criticising the women who choose to serve or the job they do. It's criticising the concept and the letchy fuckers behind it.

Ooh Kim a place that has to have security to control the customers and their letchy ways?? Sounds awesome, i have to take my children!!

And there's nothing wrong with calling out exploration when that's clearly what it is. Hardly offensive.

I do see your point, don't get me wrong. And thank you for discussing it with me without it going into an argument :).

Exploitation*

Those of you who are saying you worked there, do you have a daughter? Would you want her to work there?

You may have enjoyed it but that isn't the point. People criticise these jobs because as long as they exist they enable a society where cat calling in the street and sexism at work is ok. How are women ever going to be treated as well as men while this sort of thing continues to be perpetuated?

Re your first post. But re the second... yes it is offensive to be told you're being exploited. At least I find it offensive for someone to pass that kind of judgement on me. It makes me feel upset.