to be horrified that people are forgetting the Holocaust?

[FleurDelacoeur]

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-shows-americans-are-forgetting-about-holocaust-n865396

OK, so it's an American study but 11% of all adults and 20% of millenials in the US haven't heard of the holocaust, or aren't sure whether they've heard of it or not.

Given that this is one of the most important events of the 20th century isn't this simply appalling? How can people NOT know??

I'm not aware of the curriculum in the rest of the UK but I know my secondary age kids in Scotland have learned about the Holocaust as part of a WW2 topic, and it was touched on in RE too when they learned about Judaism.

And quite frankly if it wasn't in the curriculum I'd be making sure they knew about it as it's such an important event which should never be forgotten.

The first sign is always shutting down free speech. Only 'politically correct' speech allowed. That's already happening in the West.

The issue is not "politically correct" speech. Not the kind that tends to be criticised. It's a type of speech that tends to be kind and respectful to people and insists on it.

It's hate speech that we should worry about. And the putting down of the kind and respectful "politically correct" speech.

When people worried about civil rights are called snowflakes, that's when you should worry about.

@FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast I have children in secondary (youngest in y7) and when they covered WW2, it was about rationing and evacuees. The Holocaust was definitely not covered (and this school is OSTED Outstanding)

@Lweji completely agree with you there. I’m a “snowflake” and very proud of that fact.

I'm a millenial, and most woman my age on my area, are more interested than spending two hours every day putting on makeup and taking 100 selfies, just to choose one to upload, than learning anything about anything but make up and selfies.

As you can imagine, I'm real fun at parties 😓

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"Politically correct" is not necessarily always good and kind. My point is that on the road to dictatorship, free speech is curbed and only speech that is deemed to be "correct" by political leaders is allowed. Politically correct speech in 1920s and 30s Russia meant something very different to what it may mean today in our society.

"No-platforming", #nodebate. These are worrying developments. We should always be worried when freedom of expression is curtailed.

Not at my DC's school. DD did World War II at the beginning of the school year, also we have Jewish relatives. I bought DD When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit when I found out what she was doing for topic.

I'm a millenial, and most woman my age on my area, are more interested than spending two hours every day putting on makeup and taking 100 selfies, just to choose one to upload, than learning anything about anything but make up and selfies.

I'm a millennial, albeit an older one but most women I know are interested in a variety of subjects. I've never come across this phenomenon of people solely interested in makeup and selfies.

I don’t know who I would have been in Nazi Germany. I do know that if people are taught history and not just facts, but how and why, I think we have a better opportuntity to make the right decisions and be on the right side of history in the world we live in.

I also think there is so much more “noise” in my childrens lives than what was in my life when I was growing up its easy for them to be side tracked into a very superficial online world. I remember most of my contemporaries being quite politically active at the same age as my children are mostly playing computer games.

Politically correct speech in 1920s and 30s Russia meant something very different to what it may mean today in our society.

Exactly. Today it does have a different meaning, so criticising it now only supports its critics, which are for the most part people I wouldn't want to be friends with.

So, make sure you explain what you mean when you use such terms.

I remember most of my contemporaries being quite politically active at the same age as my children are mostly playing computer games.

I certainly don't.

We should always be worried when freedom of expression is curtailed.

Yes, but today, it's mostly people who preach hate who complain that freedom of expression is being curtailed.
Because hate speech is rightly curtailed.
Because it leads to things like the Holocaust.

One of my students was French and he regaled tales of his grandmother who had been in the French resistance, she was a teenager and carried messages on her bicycle. She was never caugot.

I recently met a lady in her nineties a German who married an allied soldier just after WWII. She was a lovely woman she described the fear of living in those times. She said how people didn't speak out due to fear, how some children denounced their own parents She then described the fear of when the allies turned up.

The students Grandmother was obviously incredibly courageous whilst the German ladies family just tried to remain under the radar.

The ignorance, by the majority of people on this thread, is astounding.

@Joanna57

Nice post.

About what? Did you come here just to shit stir, or do you have a useful contribution to the thread?

Joanna do you care to enlighten us?

Please Joanna, do elaborate.

WickedLazy

I'm a millenial, and most woman my age on my area, are more interested than spending two hours every day putting on makeup and taking 100 selfies, just to choose one to upload, than learning anything about anything but make up and selfies.

Some nice woman-hating/superiority complex going on there. You know about the interests of all the women in your area huh? That must have taken ages to find out! How did you do it?

Or are you just stereotyping to make yourself feel like you're better than others? What's within you that leads you to feel the desire to tear others down?

I spend an hour getting ready each morning. You'd tell that from looking at me and seeing my freshly blow dried hair and fairly elaborate makeup. You might even see me take a selfie in front of a lovely scene or with friends sat in a cafe to remember the moment.

What you can't see is the time I spend reading and learning from different sources about history, including WW2, checking the news for updates on Syria and North Korea a few times per week (including reading subreddits with participants who are actually living there), talking to my nephew about different wars in history (he's a wealth of knowledge), and going off to my paid and voluntary jobs where I dedicate my day to serving others (not a brag, many many people do this, whether at work or for their friends or family).

But I guess all you'd know is that my hair and makeup are nice and I sometimes take a photo when I've done a look I really like, eh?

Nasty little post.

Regarding resistance to the SS. When they started their 'euthanasia' programme.ie killing the mentally ill and disabled, German people did protest and it did stop. The Holocaust, as it began with specific laws in 1933 faced little resistance because of thousands of years of anti semitism. Nor is there one single piece of evidence of any SS member being punished for refusing to participate. Many people did risk their lives to save Jews but the 'role' of the bystander is worth looking at.And the Kindertransport to Uk was supported mostly by Quakers.

"I'm a millennial, albeit an older one but most women I know are interested in a variety of subjects. I've never come across this phenomenon of people solely interested in makeup and selfies"

I have, lots of "full time princess" or "full time yummy mummy" types round these parts. Don't know exactly who hitler was or who the current prime minister is etc. Most end up doing nails or make up for a living when there kids are up a bit, and their free time is spent showing themselves off.

I doubt OP knows much if anything about the Armenian genocide, stalin’s Gulags, Mao’s Great Leap Forward, the Bataan death march, the fate of communists in Franco’s Spain, the crimes perpetuated by Noriega or Pol Pot or Pinochet etc etc etc.

I’d even question how much she knows about the Wannsee Conference, the career of Heydrich, the trial of Eichmann or the setting up of the Warsaw ghetto for all her amazement about people not knowing about the holocaust. Always easy to start idiotic MN threads about others’ ignorance.

@WickedLazy

You need to move to a better area, clearly.

I have, lots of "full time princess" or "full time yummy mummy" types round these parts. Don't know exactly who hitler was or who the current prime minister is etc. Most end up doing nails or make up for a living when there kids are up a bit, and their free time is spent showing themselves off.

You just described my sister how she appears on social media... true she isn't the most scholarly of people but she enjoys watching documentaries on various things including science and history and loves anything to do with nature.
But you sit there and enjoy the pedestal you've clearly put yourself on.

@Lweji

Apologies... I misunderstood. ☺