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Aibu to think Mumsnet has issues with black women

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Ghanagirl · 14/04/2018 11:51

Just that really, I’ve read really horrible comments about Meghan Markle, Alexandra Burke, Serena Williams talented and hardworking individuals who seem to offend some Mumsnetters simply by being beautiful and successful.
I’m not surprised as happens in RL but I guess it’s disappointing as Mumsnet touts itself as a more educated network than netmums

OP posts:

Alpineflowers · 15/04/2018 14:08

callies-And always, like on domestic violence threads (“but men are victims too!”) Ffs

Yet the highest number of victims of racism are white (UK figures)

Some of the worse reports of racism reported recently were regarding the white victims of gangs in Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford and other towns. That evidence was reported in the press in interviews with the victims, it was used in evidence in court and by at least one court judge in his summing up when sentencing the gangs

findingmyfeet12 · 15/04/2018 14:13

To be fair to the op the Rochdale, Rotherham, etc cases dealt with a specific demographic when it comes to victims and perpetrators.

The racism she's talking about permeates society more generally and is therefore more relevant to a group like mn.

TheStoic · 15/04/2018 14:15

Yet the highest number of victims of racism are white (UK figures)

Huh? What UK figures?

BertrandRussell · 15/04/2018 14:18

“Yet the highest number of victims of racism are white (UK figures)“

Source?

Alpineflowers · 15/04/2018 14:18

TheStoic-Huh? What UK figures?

England and Wales police reported crime figures.
It is something like 52% of victims of racism are white.

VladmirsPoutine · 15/04/2018 14:21

I do think a lot of people's perceived subliminal 'racism', is in their heads. By very nature of the word itself!

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PROBLEM!!!

RoseWhiteTips · 15/04/2018 14:22

People cannot try to explain what they feel for fear of saying the wrong thing. I wouldn’t even try. People should be able to dislike someone and not have someone else accuse them of racism.

Alpineflowers · 15/04/2018 14:23

findingmyfeet12-To be fair to the op the Rochdale, Rotherham, etc cases dealt with a specific demographic when it comes to victims and perpetrators.The racism she's talking about permeates society more generally and is therefore more relevant to a group like mn.

More relevant to mn?
There will be people on mn who will know victims of racist grooming gangs, Rotherham, Rochdale etc, or are even victims themselves.

Not sure what your point is

TheStoic · 15/04/2018 14:24

England and Wales police reported crime figures.
It is something like 52% of victims of racism are white.

That’s not correct. Unless you can provide a link?

What do you mean by ‘racism’ in this context? What is happening to these white people?

Alpineflowers · 15/04/2018 14:29

That’s not correct. Unless you can provide a link?What do you mean by ‘racism’ in this context? What is happening to these white people?

It is up to you to find statistics to refute me
What I 'mean' is that white people are also victims of racism. For example the victims, many thousands?, in the Rotherham, Rochdale cases and all the other towns.
Are you suggesting white people cannot be victims of racism?

findingmyfeet12 · 15/04/2018 14:29

I'm talking about racism on mn threads during the course of general chats. Particularly in relation to black women which is what the op is concerned with

insideoutsider · 15/04/2018 14:32

Er @ghanagirl It appears you're trying to misrepresent my post - I suggest you re-read it. You also seem to be picking words to fit into your narrative. I thought you said you weren't black? Well, why not listen to black women then instead of trying to speak for 'us'?

I did NOT say I didn't like MM because she is is mixed race. No idea why you would say I said that.

I said I don't like the thought of 'our precious prince Harry' marrying someone who is American, divorced and appears to know so much more than him. That person could have been Katie Holmes for all I cared.

And the reference to 'precious Prince Harry' - was just loosely trying to say Prince Harry was a little boy, young and innocent (not that he really is). No idea why I had to explain that.

TheStoic · 15/04/2018 14:33

It’s up to you to find statistics to refute me

Well...no. Everyone here knows you’re wrong, I was just giving you a chance to come up with something, anything. We all know you can’t.

Are you talking about crime in general?

Alpineflowers · 15/04/2018 14:35

findingmyfeet12

I understand, but my reply was to calli and about racism in general

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/04/2018 14:36

It’s seems the op has been proved right

Pointing out the negativity towards black women as she sees it herself being a black woman then being told don’t be silly of course you are wrong

Lweji · 15/04/2018 14:38

It is something like 52% of victims of racism are white.

Yes, but, source?

And what does that mean?
British white?
And considering the UK population is still largely white, it doesn't mean that more white people suffer from racism.
Then there's the reporting issue. What's the report rate?

Mightymucks · 15/04/2018 14:38

Isn’t it interesting that exactly the same people demanding others should not speak for black women and that their lived experience of racism must be listened to are exactly the same posters telling pope white people that they are privileged, that their lived experience of lack of privilege is irrelevant and that they must shut up and let other people tell them what their experiences are?

One might almost think they were great big hypocrites only interested in promoting their own interests rather than any sort of equality.

Mightymucks · 15/04/2018 14:39

*poor white people, not the pope ffs

findingmyfeet12 · 15/04/2018 14:45

If you're a poor white person then doesn't the discrimination come from just the poverty and class element?

If we were to compare like for like in terms of wealth and class would the black women still be at a disadvantage?

I tend to think so (from my own observations) but I'm happy to be corrected.

C8H10N4O2 · 15/04/2018 14:46

People cannot try to explain what they feel for fear of saying the wrong thing. I wouldn’t even try.

You, of all people, are worried about upsetting someone with your words?

Well that's a bloody first.

Alpineflowers · 15/04/2018 14:48

TheStoic-Well...no. Everyone here knows you’re wrong, I was just giving you a chance to come up with something, anything. We all know you can’t.

I wasn't aware that you speak on behalf of 'everyone' on mn. I will keep it mind.

I am on a phone at the moment and it ian't easy linking but maybe you could google Home Office statistics?
Also, I seem to remember that around half of all racist murder victims are white.

GorgeousJaws · 15/04/2018 14:51

Well that's a bloody first.

Ha!

TheStoic · 15/04/2018 14:51

Also, I seem to remember that around half of all racist murder victims are white

As much as I’d like to just go with your personal memories, that’s still not correct.

findingmyfeet12 · 15/04/2018 14:53

I'm not sure if there is definitely a link between criminal acts and everyday racism in for example the workplace.

I don't agree with the op's thread but I'd say that regardless of crime statistics racism is much more likely to affect minorities in the workplace, schools, universities etc. I don't have any statistics but I'm just going on personal experience here before anyone demands proof!

Alpineflowers · 15/04/2018 14:57

TheStoic-As much as I’d like to just go with your personal memories, that’s still not correct.

I can't link at the moment, but please see/google
'The Guardian 'Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white
Home Office release official figures as police claim that political correctness is stifling the debate'

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