Aibu to think Mumsnet has issues with black women

[Ghanagirl]

Just that really, I’ve read really horrible comments about Meghan Markle, Alexandra Burke, Serena Williams talented and hardworking individuals who seem to offend some Mumsnetters simply by being beautiful and successful.
I’m not surprised as happens in RL but I guess it’s disappointing as Mumsnet touts itself as a more educated network than netmums

This Public Order Acts relating to incitement of racial hatred offences, includes the following;
'inciting inflammatory rumours about an individual or an ethnic group, for the purpose of spreading racial discontent'

The OP has started a thread, proposing that MN in general, has an issue with black women. She has not offered any evidence to support this, nor successfully counter-argued any challenge to that assertion. And during this barrage of petty pointless arguing, has accused one poster of siding with another, on the basis that they somehow know, that this poster is white. I think you seriously need to take a rain check OP. Yes from what I have read, this thread has most certainly been an act of incitement to racial discontent. And that incitement, has stemmed from the very person, claiming it exists here in the main...if that's not baffling, then I don't know what is.

This could have been a very interested and thought-provoking thread. In fact, thanks to a lot of other commenters it has been relatively so. But all you have done is insult people who disagree with you and accuse white posters of racism. Sometimes in life OP you are just wrong, and hiding behind your colour or accusing other people of being racist because you don't want to accept you are wrong is shameful and belittles actual racism. Anyway, I just can't engage with you anymore - you are embarrassing yourself. Thankfully you do not represent all WOC.

Mumto2two

I completely agree with this!

Mumto2 grow up.

The op has explained why she can't give evidence and has been respectful and articulate.

I don't agree with her but to say she's inciting racial hatred is laughable. Many have agreed with her but others have also been plain vicious rather than just reply that she's wrong in their opinion.

findingmyfeet...I am quite well 'grown up' thank you very much.
The law is quite clear on racial incitement, that is not something I have invented for this thread!
I have not responded with anything personal or vicious, I have simply stated the facts on this. I am entitled to take polite umbrage at the content of this thread, without being subject to 'grow up' insults in response. Too many people on here are just plain rude.

@Mumto2two - are you a solicitor?

No, you definitely haven't invented the law.

Perhaps you ought to get the police involved, after all the law is there to be respected.

If you read the thread it's overwhelmingly those opposed to the op who are plain rude. If you deem my post to have been rude to you, well no use crying over spilled milk.

There is no end to racism in my experience. I will never forget going to a MN meet up of a thread I am in and hearing the words ‘I didn’t realise you were black’. Awful. I rise above it. Their problem. Not mine.

MargeryFenworthy

That is absolutely awful!

Margery That's awful. A poster once commented that she was "shocked" that I am mixed. Why is this an issue , I didn't read anything sinister into it - I presume a lot of people have an image in their minds of a typical MNetter. I reckon she'd be in her 40s with 2dc and look a bit like Ruth Langsford - Eamon Holmes' wife.

MargeryFenworthy
Thank you I rest my case

That's awful MargeryFenworthy.

Thank you I rest my case

How does one person's comment support your theory that MN has a problem with black women?
It doesn't.

I've turned upto many meetings over the years, whereby previous contact was by telephone or email, and had surprise reactions that ranged from 'didn't realise I was so young & pretty, to not realising I was a woman. I didn't take offence from those comments at all. They were not said maliciously or with intention to upset. They may have been a little un-PC back in those days, but I certainly wasn't offended. People can often conjecture an image based on unseen contact. Whether that is based on gender, looks, humour or whatever.. Why is that offensive? I did that with my husband before I met him, and he was nothing like I expected! As I said in my first response. People are just too quick to infer an 'ism' that simply isn't there.

Why is I didn't realise you were black awful? I wouldn't say it because it might be taken the wrong way but it is no different from I didn't realise you were white or female or short or a doctor or had blue eyes? It's not nastily meant surely?

Obviously it is not a good idea when meeting people to mention personal things but I dont' think that comment is awful.

now if they said ugh, you're white or I cannot continue this meeting as you are black or I don't have lunch with white people or whatever then of course it's different.

It supports my case because it happened.
My Op was that Mumsnet has an issue with black women and I stand by the stance but in retrospect I would have said "A lot of the posters on Mn seem to have an issue with black women" and quite a few vitriolic posters have proved my point.
Ive been called names and accused of being racist, which is ridiculous. Everyone's entitled to an opinion but the knee jerk shouting me down hasn't altered my view.

I think it will come down to who can explain and argue their case with evidence the best in these things. Our words tend to speak for themselves. No one should be nasty to others in any context in my view.

I have not found MN particularly racist compared to a lot of other places actually and I genuinely don't often consider what colour people might be as it's not particularly relevant on line.

What we do need is truth and evidence and facts as ever in this Trump world.

Mumsnet is very racist.

Subliminal racism is still racism.

Subliminal yes. A lot of it exists in people's heads.

Mumto2two
Yes I obviously imagined the man shouting racist insults at me and my children🙄

I appreciate that this isn't related to mn but at her first nursery job my sister was singled out and asked at lunchtime if she knew what a quiche was

@koyaanisqatsi You speak a very uncomfortable truth. I wholly agree.

On plenty of occasions I’ve had people comment - oh I didn’t realise you were white- as I have an Iranian surname (my father is Iranian but I got my mother’s Swedish looks) but I’ve never taken offence as that would be ridiculous

I’m a mumsnetter and I don’t have a problem with black women, but I do have a problem with hateful posters who twist things to meet their own agenda. I also have a problem with sanctimonious posters who state their opinion as if it is fact, then get arsey if they’re not agreed with. If that poster is black, white or green is neither here nor there.