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to think this story cannot be true? Non English speaking mother did not know how to feed her baby causing brain damage, as the NHS did not provide a translator.

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WannaBeWonderWoman · 13/04/2018 20:26

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5612889/Sri-Lankan-refugee-couple-set-multi-million-pound-NHS-payout.html

and if it is there must be something missing?

If there's not, this country has gone mad!

OP posts:
4GreenApples · 13/04/2018 22:11

Of course it’s common knowledge that babies need feeding.

The point that I (and others) was trying to make is, that it’s not always obvious to an inexperienced mother that a baby isn’t feeding properly.
This is particularly applicable to breastfeeding.
For example, if you don’t know what proper breastfeeding feels like, you may not realise that the baby on your breast that you think you’re feeding is sucking but not actually drinking any milk.

CinderellaRockefeller · 13/04/2018 22:12

Mrs Rajatheepan gave her evidence through an interpreter. She explained that she was born on the 7th June 1988 in Sri Lanka and was a Tamil speaker with hardly any English. She came to this country in February 2008. The extent of her English was limited to a small number of words which were commonly used in Sri Lanka. She fell pregnant in November 2008. The pregnancy was uneventful. The due date of delivery was the 7th July but she went beyond that date. On the 13th July she thought she had started labour and was having contractions so was taken to the Hospital by her husband, seen and told to return on the 16th July 2009 which she duly did. It was her intention to breast feed and she recalls that after the delivery on the labour ward at the Hospital, she was moved to a side room and whilst there, there was a discussion with a midwife which was interpreted for her by her husband, during which it was agreed that although she would breast feed the Claimant, initially feeding would be undertaken by midwives whilst she recovered from the operation, as she was in pain at the time. Her husband and a woman called Suba, who was the wife of one of his friends, were present during this discussion. Thereafter, in the early hours of 17th July she was transferred back to Japonica ward and after that, her husband and Suba left the hospital.

Her recollection was that she began to breast feed the Claimant after lunch on the 17th July and continued to breast feed the baby thereafter. She believed that the Claimant was feeding successfully and after feeding, he slept.

On the 18th July the Claimant started to cry and it was her evidence that he continued to cry up until and indeed after discharge into the next day. At the time she thought he was hungry but was concerned about the crying so she called for a midwife using the buzzer provided for that purpose on two separate occasions, on only one of which however did a midwife attend. She described the midwife putting the Claimant on his back and trying to pacify him and then gave the Claimant back to her and left. Mrs Rajatheepancarried on trying to feed the Claimant. Whenever a nurse came by she would smile and Mrs Rajatheepan would smile back and the nurse would nod her head and leave.

Because the Claimant kept crying she went to the midwives station but none of the midwives seemed to notice her so she returned to her bed and took the baby out of the cot again and tried to stop him crying without success so she returned two or three times to the midwife station, on each occasion without being able to attract the attention of any of the midwives on duty. She said that noone was paying her any attention and she felt unable to communicate her concerns because of her lack of English.

She was adamant that at no stage whilst she was in the Hospital did any of the midwives sit down with her and explain to her how to breast feed or what to do if she was unable to feed the Claimant, although she did recall being shown, along with other new mothers, how to wash her baby and change his nappy.

She recalled that later in the morning she learned that she was going to be sent home because she received what she described as a letter which was headed "Discharge" which had been left on her bed. She understood the word because it was a word which was used in Sri Lanka. She was confused because she had understood from one of the doctors that she was going to be kept in for longer. She telephoned her husband who was working that day and asked him to speak to one of the nurses, which he did, using her phone. Her husband told her that the upshot of that conversation was that she would be discharged, and her husband agreed to come and collect her after he finished work, sometime after 7.00 p.m.
She did not remember much about the discharge conversation with midwife Oriakhi. She said that she did not understand what she was being told, her concern being the Claimant who was constantly crying. She recalled being given a folder with a large number of papers in it but didn't look at the contents.

Her husband came to collect her with two of his friends, one of whom was Kevin Gunaratnam and the other was called Mathan at about 8.30pm. When her husband arrived the Claimant was crying and she explained to him that he had been crying all day and of the attempts that she had made to get assistance without success. He went to see the midwives and came back with one who put the Claimant in a car seat which her husband had brought, and explained to her husband that it was normal for newly-born babies to cry. She then left. Her husband then asked Kevin Gunaratnam to go and ask the nurse again why the Claimant was continuing to cry, and for her to come and see the baby again. The midwife did return, but again, explained that newborn babies will cry. She also explained that a community midwife would visit her and the baby at home the next day. Mrs Rajatheepan recalled that there was an argument, during the course of which the midwife repeated that if there were any problems she could always bring the baby back to hospital, but she did not explain what she meant by problems.

Mrs Rajatheepan, her husband, the Claimant and Kevin Gunaratnam then left the ward and went to the car, but because the Claimant was still crying her husband decided to take the Claimant back to the ward, accompanied by Kevin Gunaratnam whilst Mrs Rajatheepan stayed in the car. When her husband returned he told her that he had got the same reply, and so they left and went home.
When they got home Mrs Rajatheepan said that she went to bed and tried to get the Claimant to breast feed during the course of the rest of that night, but he continued to cry. She didn't know whether he was taking milk or not. The next morning her husband went to work early. She thought the Claimant was tired after all his crying. She picked him up and put him to her breast but he seemed to make less effort.

The community midwife arrived at about 12.40, by which time the baby had not been crying for some time. She didn't understand what the community midwife, Ms Madigan, was saying, so telephoned her husband who was told that the Claimant had a serious problem, that an ambulance had been called and she and the Claimant went together to the Hospital by ambulance.

Mogleflop · 13/04/2018 22:12

Any thoughts from the op? Or was this just an attempt to make everyone complain about the Mum instead?

DarkDarkNight · 13/04/2018 22:13

I read the article earlier, it is very hard to make sense of. It is written in such an odd way. It seems the woman and baby had been discharged from what I read, but got brought back in after the baby hadn't fed for 12-15 hours. From the way it was written it seems to be saying the mother didn't know she had to feed the baby? That is not a language barrier issue is it?

But if it is saying there were feeding problems after the birth and feeding wasn't established and there was no follow-up then that is concerning.

Typical Mail headline to stir up racism and anti-refugee sentiment of course.

diddl · 13/04/2018 22:17

" initially feeding would be undertaken by midwives whilst she recovered from the operation,"

So was he initially bottle fed?

frumpety · 13/04/2018 22:18

Cinderella thank you for posting that , makes it much clearer Sad

viques · 13/04/2018 22:20

Cinderella Rocherfeller, that is a heartbreaking story. Poor woman, poor baby.

Mumto2two · 13/04/2018 22:27

Not once was I ever shown how to feed my baby after birth. And while I appreciate mothers can have issues with this, it must surely be difficult to interpret a request for help, from somebody who can't speak a word of English? I know when my daughter has been in hospital abroad, there was in fact no attempt to even acknowledge the ability to speak one solitary word of English. And this was a country in Europe! I had to use Googletranslate in order to convey our daughter's complex medical history. It was very much down to us to make any attempt to communicate, as our daughter's welfare in that hospital, was still very much our responsibility.
Incidentally, on a visit to the paediatric ward last week, I witnessed a non English speaking family of five kids, three adults and two teenagers in tow, turn up to the actual ward, two hours late for an immunisation appointment, that should have been done at the outpatient clinic. After an hour of trying to locate someone who could speak the language, and another half hour arguing why they shouldn't have come to the ward, the end result was getting a doctor to help administer the immunisations, as it had all become too disruptive and difficult to explain. The ward was busy to the hilt as it was. Yes the NHS is completely overwhelmed. And at the hospital my daughter regularly attends, the past decade has seen unprecedented demand from people who need interpreters of one ilk or another.

BettyBaggins · 13/04/2018 22:30

Breast milk can come in earlier than 3 days, mine were producing copiously within 18 hours. Born on due date.

JazzHotBaby · 13/04/2018 22:33

That is such a sad read, Cinderella, but to be honest, considering how the total extent of breastfeeding help I got (as an English speaker) when my DS was screeching with hunger was "He's hungry. Feed him." Whilst forcing his head towards my bleeding nipple that he had virtually ripped through from trying to feed, I'm not surprised if she got little in the way of support that she could understand. And I've heard the "babies cry" statement many a time, it's one they use when they think you're a hysterical parent (both my Mum and I have had it said to us, and we were proved right that there was something wrong with our kids every time).

It turned out that as I'd had a haemorrhage I was severely anaemic and not producing enough milk, even after two blood transfusions. But it took seeing a private breastfeeding counsellor to understand that, and to ignore the midwife/HV/paediatrician who all implied we were poisoning DS by supplementing with formula, even though hed dropped to the 4th centile. DS is still a tiny scrap of nothing at 11, but puts away more food than I do. He's always had an appetite - no wonder he nearly had my nips off!

RidingWindhorses · 13/04/2018 22:34

A woman I know, highly intelligent and well educated lawyer, head of legal department in investment bank, managed to starve her baby as she only fed it when it seemed hungry and it slept through the night.

Issue was flagged due to low weight. Baby ended up in hospital.

KatieKittens · 13/04/2018 22:37

I feel for this poor child. To answer your question op, yes I do believe this story. Tragic series of events.

BakedBeans47 · 13/04/2018 22:41

What’s not to believe? It’s been proven in court. Or do you think the judge was somehow wrong?

RidingWindhorses · 13/04/2018 22:41

So yes I can well believe it.

Tottyandmarchpane1 · 13/04/2018 22:48

Yup I can absolutely believe this. When I had my first DD she didn’t feed for over 15 hours (hospital wrongly wrote on my notes that she had fed and even when I said she had not and I was worried they still discharged me saying that it said She had been fed. A huge amount of pressure was put on me to breastfeed but absolutely no support. 15 hours in when I was home and my DD looked jaundiced and still hadn’t fed and was sleeping constantly my mum told me to take her to hospital where she was admitted to SCBU. The consultant was furious with the midwives on the post natal ward and tore a strip off them over the phone. Luckily my DD was fine but I can imagine with zero support around you it might have been a different story.

MimpiDreams · 13/04/2018 22:54

So sad. I had my baby abroad and couldn't breastfeed him. Thank god the midwives at my hospital took the extra time needed to make sure I understood. That poor mother must have felt so lost and frightened.

MirriVan · 13/04/2018 23:00

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annandale · 13/04/2018 23:02

Mirrivan what has happened is long term underfunding of maternity services along with rising need. A mother bottle-feeding unsafely without support isn't particularly a good idea either. Support is needed either way.

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Fengshui · 13/04/2018 23:05

Oh I can believe it too.

I can't even go into my experiences when DS1 was born in 2009, because I do not have the energy.

But also I have some experience with personal injury litigation law, and clinical negligence and I know the threshold for bring a case to court, never mind the case 'winning'.

MirriVan · 13/04/2018 23:07

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SunnySkiesSleepsintheMorning · 13/04/2018 23:08

The article is typical Daily Wail bullshit. The bottom line; mother was not supported to breastfeed. It wasn’t that she didn’t know that she needs to feed her baby, she did not know that - for whatever reason - the baby was not feeding properly. Very tragic case and the boy deserves every penny in compensation to ensure he had good care for the rest of his life.

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newtlover · 13/04/2018 23:18

ffs this is not to do with bf, the baby was ff after delivery by a mw- and then not again, but was falsely recorded as having fed in the hospital notes, because no one bothered to try and communicate with the mother

annandale · 13/04/2018 23:21

Agree entirely about the assumption of assertiveness. Looking at the description of what happened, the plan was originally to give the baby a bottle early on because the mother was in pain - presumably of expressed milk from the milk bank. Nobody seems to have carried out that plan. I don't think that was a 'breast is best at all costs' approach, I think it was just rubbish care - probably the plan to feed expressed milk was never written down, or if it was nobody read it or carried it out, and everyone took the mother's smile as meaning 'I don't need to do anything'.