pt.2 To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

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I do feel those claiming sympathy for Mr and Mrs Osborn-Brooks could perhaps do them the courtesy to spell their name properly.

I think it’s terrible.

I feel no sadness that this criminal is dead. It is through his own choices and actions.

I feel sad that the children (if young) have lost someone they love, but I do not feel sad that a terrible influence/possible abuser is out of their lives. If the criminal had not died, I would feel sad for the children that he was their dad. I feel sad for them that their family is the way they are.

I feel terrible for Mr Osbourne and his wife. They have lost their safety, security, home, possibly mental health, possibly will suffer financially as I imagine their house will be unsellable for a long time.

I feel awful for the neighbours who are probably scared, unsure, feel unsafe and may also have lost value in their home.

All because 2 scummy lowlifes thought they had the right to rob and terrorise old people. I just cannot feel bad that there is one less person to do that now.

Sorry Mr Osborn-Brooks.

Yes it is fine to kill if they are harming or threatening you, or course it is.

That's not what the law says, Aeroflot. The reasons are obvious: where do you draw the line?

Morning campers what on earth happened with the key stone cops?

Anyway thank God you didn’t get your wish Bertrand the elderly victim is his wife’s carer and she has altzimers, just like my mum and dad. If my dad goes to the loo mum frets and wanders to find him. I think you can imagine how utterly terrifying it would be for such a husband and wife in that condition to have to endure a trial and all that entails.

I cannot begin to imsgine your lack of empathy snd understanding of their situation but there you go. Very strange.

Regards the children of the scum bag I feel sorry fir them being born into such a dreadful family and a moral vaccume. I can’t imagine a man who made a career of threatening vulnerable old folk was ever daddy of the year really though can you and mummy knew just what he was up to so she’s scum too. Poor kids have no chance.

Keystone cops

Do some people genuinely think that if a householder kills a burglar in the course of a burglary then no action should be taken? That the householder's version of events should just be taken at face value?

Yes it is fine to kill if they are harming or threatening you, or course it is

Of course it is not! Its never fine to kill someone. If you absolutely have no choice of any kind then it is at the very best a tragedy.

Action was taken. Mr O-B was held for 2 days whilst the police made enquiries. I imagine they would have deployed forensics and an autopsy report to bear out his side of the story. This, quite aside from the fact there were 2 burglars vs 2 OAP’s seems to have convinced the police that Mr o-b acted in self defence.

Do some people genuinely think that if a householder kills a burglar in the course of a burglary then no action should be taken?

No, but you're going too far the other way & saying it should go to trial - which it shouldn't (and hasn't).

And you do come across as putting the rights of the violent criminal trespasser above those of the elderly victims.

And it's not a pretty sight.

So I'm ducking out of this now as I've reached "Peak Apologist"....

So I'm ducking out of this now as I've reached "Peak Apologist"

You reach easily cos noone is doing that.

"Action was taken. Mr O-B was held for 2 days whilst the police made enquiries."
Yes. But there were plenty of posters saying he shouldn't have been.

"And you do come across as putting the rights of the violent criminal trespasser above those of the elderly victims"
Only if you don't actually read what I'm writing.

I honestly don’t remember any posters on this thread or the previous thread saying the elderly victim shouldn’t have been questioned by the police.

Mainly to allow him to tell his story as that would help him get over the trauma.

Do you think the police are corrupt? Do you think the elderly gentleman stabbed the scum in cold blood or he wasn’t being burgled?
Why do you keep banging on about a trial?

Are you one of those,Bertrand. Fawn over a criminal. Kick the victim when theyre down

In fairness, I do remember howls of protest that he was taken in for questioning, and was arrested on suspicion of murder.

You should have been on the previous thread.

One poster said that the elderly gentleman wasn’t really elderly or frail as he could hold a pint of stout and her mother was much older and not frail!!!!

Complete fruit loop.

I absolutely think it was correct to arrest and question the victim - someone died.

Maybe now the Police could have a word with the people making an intimidating shrine.

Well arguably even the police involved in this case could’ve seen in the first 15 minutes that Mr O-B was unlikely to have invited the dead career burglar in for a nightcap, but excellent that due process bore out the facts.

Of course someone should be arrested and questioned if they kill someone, if not you could lure someone to your house, kill them and claim they'd broken in.
I'm glad Mr Osborn-Brooks isn't going to trial though, before I'm leapt on.

I had no issue with him being questioned and the death investigated. The problem I had on the first thread (whilst he was still being questioned) was him being called a murderer, claims that he looked like a 'bruiser' and posts saying that he should automatically be charged and sent to trial because it should be down to a jury not the police to determine self defence.

No, but you're going too far the other way & saying it should go to trial - which it shouldn't (and hasn't)

That in turn is going too far the opposite direction. I'm happy to accept the police/CPS decision in this case, but that doesn't mean that, when a householder kills a burglar, the case should never go to trial. There will inevitably be cases where a jury needs to decide whether what happened went beyond reasonable self defence.

Awwlook, throughout this thread people like you who claim that others are supporting the burglar have been asked to produce actual examples and they have never yet responded. Because it isn't actually happening.

I still stand by my response, if me defending myself or my family against harm resulted in the attackers death, similar to Mr Osborne-Brooks, than so be it. Rather a criminal, than my children.

Of course it was investigated quite rightly by The Police, and no charges were brought.