pt.2 To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

[lostjanni]

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but thats one of the points even if it never got to this stage and flowers left to die,funeral etc it would not be over

the pensioners from that fatal night would never have been safe in their home

you are very nieve to think things would of got back to normal

its an eye for an eye with the travellers,it was last year i think where a young male traveller got shot and killed in a petrol station by another traveller for past crimes

wake up

Much as I don't like the flowers there, I wouldn't dare dismantle it.

You do not mess with these people. Even the Police don't want to.

user

You are making my point for me. Let it die down! That’s exactly what the police are doing instead of getting onto the traveller site and others and finding that other scum bag.

Can I say I am so sorry for your personal loss. However that alters nothing about the facts if this case.

Why you brought up Ants colour is unfathamsble and sgaim he has been charged and is facing that law unlike the scum bag who is hiding.

You see in a democracy just the police avoiding action and keeping the peace allows wicked people to flourish as in this case and in Rotherham and Telford snd now with thr terrible gun crimes in London.

It’s jot good enough to keep a lid on evil it’s the polices job to investigate.

I don’t blame the beat officers they are ham strung by political correctness’s and fear of offending so called minorities.

It’s the easy path. And unfortunately people like you perpetrate the decline.

I see your son is doing a law degree. Brilliant one more clever lawyer sticking up for the rights of the scummy.

It would t surprise me if his family get legal
Aid to sue the pensioner. It truly wouldn’t

user -'Left they [the flowers] would be dead in less then a week, Vincent would br buried and people move on.'

The pensioners, one of whom has dementia, are not being allowed to 'move on'. They cannot return home because the family of the burglars are placing tributes outside their house. The nature of these shrines means that even if the flowers stayed, they would still return to it periodically.
Can't you understand how frightened the pensioners, and their neighbours, must feel when its already been reported, by those who know this crime family, that they will seek 'revenge' for what they have called 'the murder' of their relative?
That family are still terrorising this elderly couple and what do the police do? The police more or less say to the family get on with it. They might have well have siaf them "walk up and down the street whenever it takes your fancy, fill the whole street with tributes, we will protect you. Park up'. Meanwhile the residents have to install security devices and sit inside their homes behind window barricades
This isn't right

metro.co.uk/2018/04/11/flowers-pulled-third-time-outside-home-pensioner-killed-burglar-henry-vincent-7456948/

I don't feel sorry at all for his family, they have repated he was a good man when we was a low life scum.
If i went into their caravan / motorhome / house and robed them and then died, would they aallow the public to put flowers up? I think not? I can just hear the cry of racism and discrimination that would come from their mouths if it happened. So why can they put a tribute where he didn't die? I know why, because some people think they're above the law and can trample on society and not so sdaly one of those scum bags found out the hard way.

“Would there be any sympathy for the rapist?”

There is a difference between having sympathy for Vincent and thinking that it would have been better for all concerned, including Mr Osborne-Brooks, if he had been arrested and imprisoned for aggravated burglary (if that’s what burglary with a weapon is called) rather than what happened.

Does anyone know why travellers like the Vincents deserve to be a protected minority? What do they contribute to society that is worth protecting?

They're hardly upholding a long historic culture like Romany gypsies, to give just one example - they're just common or garden violent thieves.

Or to put it another better way, should families like the Vincents with their track record lose their status?

@mydoghatesthebath

It’s far easier for the authorities to have law abiding people traumatise and bullied than it it to arrest and prosecute the offenders.

100% THIS! ^ Well said.

@springiscoming123

Bet he is in hiding in one of the travellers sites and the Police wont dare enter one, sorry but my opinion on the Police has really taken a nose dive over this and i don't think i'm the only one

This too. ^

I don't like to berate the police as they do have a hard job (sometimes,) but they are not coming out of this smelling of roses ARE they? Threatening to arrest people for pulling down that wanky 'memorial' but doing NOTHING to try and find the other burglar, or to try and break down these pondscum 'above-the-law' communities.

Dapple - that's right if the fence owner complained then I could see a reason for action but the fact is that so far - as far as I'm aware - the fence owner hasn't. As it stands no laws been broken. I can see how tensions are raised and why but for police to act would be wrong at this stage - there will be those who disagree whatever they do. While no law is broken then they cannot impose opinion - only the law.

Would you have supported charges being brought against a rape victim though Bert, as you did against Mr OB?

Does anyone know why travellers like the Vincents deserve to be a protected minority?

I've never managed to find a single supporter of travellers' 'protected status' outside of MN.

@snowagain. I'm a police special, and volunteer my time for the police force working front line. Discussing with colleagues, we have all agreed if we were in that forces situation, that a full tactical assult on travellers sites would be needed to even start to look for him. We would have to call in MOD Police support teams and the NCA to support us.

That shrine deserves no protection and i can assur you all officers i know, would happily refuse and take it down ourselves and use whatever powers we can to arrest and charge his family however the higher ups would have our balls. I am apologising on behalf of the police for this massive ball ache caused by political correctness.

And can I suggest that you look up the definition under common law of "breach of the peace"

It is not defined as many here seem to think.

This won’t be police beat officers this will be from the top command to leave be.

Sacrificing too elderly victims is the price authorities feel worth paying so no way will the other scum bag be arrested as they won’t go into the camps.

They are busy dealing with the knife and gun crime killing black children because local MPs like Dianne Abbott declared it racist. Meanwhile sending her own precious child to private school to avoid these very kids.

We have become cowardly and scared to act properly and get control of the streets and areas. And it’s the poorest and the most vulnerable that are suffering.

@SaucyJane

Does anyone know why travellers like the Vincents deserve to be a protected minority? What do they contribute to society that is worth protecting?

They're hardly upholding a long historic culture like Romany gypsies, to give just one example - they're just common or garden violent thieves.

This baffles me too. Why is that some people think that scum like this deserves 'protecting.'

I know what they DO deserve, but I won't say it on here, or the Guardian reading apologists will cry, and have a meltdown, and call me an 'evil and nasty' Daily Mail Reader, who should be thoroughly ashamed of myself.

I’d bet no one will ever find Billy Jeeves. Unless his daddy is an even bigger, nastier piece of work than the lovely Vincent family, my money is on that man being pig-food by now.

but doing NOTHING to try and find the other burglar,

Can I ask how you've come to have such an in depth knowledge of the current investigation Snow? Or are you just assuming because so far he's evaded arrest?

I'm a beat officer. I stand by the laws of the land that I swore an oath to protect.
As odious as I personally find it , leaving flowers for a dead person is not breaking any law.
The day we have a police state and the law is defined by the OPINION of officers is the day you would all complain.

I deal with lots of things I personally find abhorrent and unpleasant. My opinion doesn't matter. I uphold the law and act if a criminal offence is committed

"A public disturbance or an act likely to cause one"

I can think of numerous actions that have taken place around this issue that could easily be interpreted as a breach of the peace if so desired.

If, as is in this case, the action of putting flowers up could cause it public disturbance, would there not be grounds for it being a breach of the peace?

Fair

Officers in this thread have said police will not enter the site.

Are you a police officer?

That doesn't mean the police aren't doing anything though @Mydoghatesthebath

Context is important here, isn't it? Whether actions are deemed to be possible breaches of the law depends on the circumstances. Blanket statements saying that putting tributes up is legal in all circumstances is just far too simplistic and as a officer you know that, don't you?