To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

[frankchickens]

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

"That would be a no then"

Then you didn't clearly haven't read the comments left earlier in this thread.

But if you want to continue embarrassing yourself by being ill-informed and adding nothing of value to the debate, I'm not going to stop you.

Surely the police need to direct the relatives to have their flowers somewhere more appropriate?

But if you want to continue embarrassing yourself by being ill-informed and adding nothing of value to the debate, I'm not going to stop you

I'm not embarrassing myself. You can't just make things up because people disagree with you. You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Are you saying that all the people here who have had dealings with these people are wrong? That their experiences don't matter because you grew up with the nice decent travelling/working fair people?

I didn't know he was a traveller until today's press. Prior to that though, i had read that he was a career criminal, specialising in intimidating the elderly, and was supported by family members who are now doing the same.

So traveller or not he was a scumbag and the world is better for one less of them.

miffytherabbit1974

have you had much experience of travellers??

Read my previous comments on this thread

i just have,sorry but a travelling fair passing through is not a great insight

for one this was in the 70s/80's very differrent now and the workers on the fair are very differrent they work dont want trouble as it would effect the whole fair we are talking very differrent people

i suggest you get down to your local settled sight or do some reading on the travelling ones that squat on the local playpark/car parks for a week or better still visit it when they leave and you can see the disgusting damage and mess that has been done

Somebody has ripped them all down again already. The police ought to step in now.

The struggle could have gone either way; it just so happens it went this way.

But I would happily bey you my last fiver if it had gone the other way they wouldn't have been calling Henry Vincent a murder and apologizing to Richard Osborn-Brooks's family.

I am sure the family are devastated and angry - as all bereaved people are - but this is unnecessarily provocative and aggressive behaviour that is only making an awful situation worse. I think the police would do well to encourage a memorial in a different location.

From what I've read, the people whose properties they've been attached to have carefully removed them from their fence/gates and have lain them respectfully on the pavement - except for the flowers from his children which were left in situ. No "tearing down" of anything.

the Police do need to step in now otherwise this will escalate very quickly which no one gains by

No, a man in a beanie hat has just ripped them all down since they were replaced this afternoon.

The pensioner is a hero and should be helped by society in every way possible to live a peaceful life in the future. The dead burglar and his family are scum and should be treated as such by the police, media, the people in the area where it happened and everyone else who has the misfortune to come into contact with them. If they have some foreign ancestry then deport the lot of them. It's about time this country put their full support behind innocent victims and stopped making excuses for criminals. If his mother loved him, she should have made sure her son didn't grow up to be the sort of disgusting individual who targeted vulnerable old people instead of getting a real job.

Regardless of what he has done, he's still somebodies son.

So was Ian Brady, so was Jimmy Saville - have you left any flowers outside the scene's of their crimes????

And at least one of his parents is also a career criminal who introduced his son to his life of crime.

Even if we only look at the costs incurred by councils, and ignore private land owners, you can see the figures for legal and especially cleaning up sites are quite horrifying. £150k in Brighton; £40k in Dagenham - lather, rinse, repeat throughout the country.

Imagine if you were paying council tax there, and seeing your services slashed at the same time as these sorts of costs being incurred to clean up the mess left by certain groups. How would you feel? Would you still think it was just bigotry that made people groan when travellers came back into the area after that sort of incident had happened before? Would you feel the travellers had shown courtesy and respect to people who live in the area, when they've left tonnes of fridges and mattresses and worse all over the land? How much do you think the responsible traveller group contributes to these costs?!

Perhaps that does lead to one way forward - get travellers to contribute to the local councils in return for a few nights on council owned land?

Takeaweeseat

I'd already said quite a few a pages ago in this thread that I grew up with travellers regularly (every month or so for several nights at a time, if you want more precision) using the lay by and opposite field in the village I grew up and spent sixteen years living in, and that my own personal experiences with travellers had been overwhelmingly positive. I've also already said (though you wouldn't know this because you couldn't be bothered to read the thread before jumping in thinking you know everything) that I accept that other people might take a different view to me.

You decided to make an incorrect assumption that I'd had no interaction with travellers or the travelling community. You decided to make a judgment about my own knowledge with absolutely nothing to back up what you were saying. If that isn't being ill-informed then I'm not sure what is. If I'd jumped to entirely the wrong conclusion and made a statement that was designed to undermine someone else based, it turns out, on nothing at all, I would be embarrassed. Clearly, you aren't.

My opinion was a simple one. Seeing an entire community being smeared because of the actions of individuals within that community leaves me feeling very uncomfortable. As I also said in an earlier comment, I've had bad experiences with people from different backgrounds and cultures to my own, but it wouldn't make it ok for me to label those backgrounds and cultures as inherently horrible/bad because of it. Again, you clearly take a different to me.

Regardless of what he has done, he's still somebodies son.

And as many of us have said, the relatives have a right to grieve.

They do not have a right to deface property with displays designed to intimidate innocent neighbours and victims of the dead career criminal.

@Springiscoming123

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. I also confused things by mentioning the Goose Fair and Ashby Statutes- my apologies. I lived on the A453 in Leicestershire which was/is a main traveller route in England. On the other side of the road from the tiny village I grew up in was a lay-by with paddocks behind it. More or less on a monthly basis a very large cavalcade of travellers camped up in the lay by and paddocks for several nights at a time (with the permission of my granddad, who owned the land next to the lay-by). So, relative to a lot of people I had a fair bit of experience with travellers (and I distinguish these from the fair workers, only some of whom were travellers.)

ok,we wont agree thats fare enough, but thanks for the explanation

miffytherabbit1974

Oh well if your experience has been 'overwhelmingly positive' then that's that then, everybody else is wrong - you're the expert. Cancel the thread folk miffytherabbit1974 says we're all wrong.

And btw, those travellers folk you're talking about, are completely different from the travellers most people on here are referring to.

Where the hell is the lovely Mr Mayor Khan in all this. The BBC have reports of neighbours feeling intimidated by the actions of the dead career criminals family. This is the part that we should all be up in arms about, it makes zero difference what denomination these people are.

Where I live every farmers field has a stoutly padlocked gate, often with a large log or piece of old farm machinery behind it.

Livery yards have to have all kinds of security to prevent tack and equipment being stolen.

Oh dear they are all ‘racist’

"Takeaweeseat"

I'm guessing you must simply enjoy being inflammatory, making sweeping generalisations and jumping to totally erroneous conclusions?

Again and again I've said that I respect and accept that others on here take a different view. Perhaps you couldn't be bothered to read that either.

What part of me saying "I accept other people have a different view", at multiple points during this thread, do you not understand? I can't think of another way of simplifying this already basic statement so that you might be able to grasp it.