To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

[frankchickens]

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

Worse still, they are not showing much comprehension as to how this is effecting[sic] the pensioner involved in this, his disabled wife and their wider family.

I think they comprehend the effects perfectly - that's exactly why they are doing it.

Elendon

So would you agree that asking a rape victim what she was wearing after a rape is akin to you mocking this elderly gentleman for drinking stout and doughting he’s old and frail?

Just wondering how you form your opinions?

@InfiniteSheldon

"Thank God for the so-called vigilantes they're the ones on the moral high ground."

Respectfully, I think we'll have to agree to differ. I see almost no-one getting anywhere near anything resembling "high moral ground".

@miffytherabbit1974

Very good, well thought out post. Shame that many are still working on primeval reaction mode.

I see almost no-one getting anywhere near anything resembling "high moral ground"

I agree with you there.

And I see hate promoters being rewarded. On both sides.

Well on the theme of apparently being unable to read words on a screen, I have just realised that I have been reading Mydoghatesthebath as Mydoghatesmybreath and I did think it was a fairly odd user name.

Vicar nice to see you back, even with your sub-optimal spelling, grammar and comprehension

Beryl she may well do

This thread is revolting. People actually think like this. I'm disgusted.

The police were absolutely right to investigate what happened to cause the burglar's death. They appear to have found that the householder acted reasonably, in defence of himself, his home and his family, hence no charges being brought. If it had turned out that eg the householder had knocked the burglar out and then stabbed him or cut his throat while he was unconscious then charges would have been rightly brought.

Outsiders are certainly inflaming the situation as it is at present (yeah, the EDL or similar will be showing up soon: there is unfortunately a history of racist gangs in South East London. I know because I grew up there...)

But I don't think this is the fault of 'social media' - it goes back further than that. The tabloids, particularly the Sun, have spent decades encouraging the unthinking public to react emotionally - especially when it comes to hating women, LGBTQ and non-white people - or poor people.

Think like what Slievere*? I am

@Lweji

Thanks for your comment. I agree with the observations you have made in your own thoughtful comments on this thread too.

@ReanimatedSGB

I really agreed with your comment. You might well be right re social media not being the direct cause with tabloids being at the root of it. Perhaps it is just the case that opinions are more likely to be heard now because of social media, rather than social media being somehow "at fault".

Normally i hold a lot of sympathy for those who have lost a loved one, even if they are a criminal. But the responses from his friends and family are so feral that I honestly can't bring myself to sympathise.

It's these particular traveler, not all travelers.

There are some traveller near where my in laws live who are incredibly violent. However, we had travelers near my parents a few years ago and one handed me a £20 I had dropped.

So like all people, there are good and bad. But these ones are just not nice.

This thread is revolting. People actually think like this. I'm disgusted.

Yes me to, at the fact there are some people who seem to care more about a dead scumbag who would have continued to prey on elderly people than the elderly victim of the attempted burglary whose life will never be the same. Absolutely shocking.

If they aren't removed though, it is giving them the greenlight to keep it as a shrine. What is to stop them all gathering there on his birthday, the anniversary of his death etc?

Re the flowers - totally agree.

Pair of racing joyriders in Yorkshire involved in accident. One died. Every year since the death - vast shrine erected outside a bungalow and the ‘mourners’ sit in a tent contraption with candles and tonnes of alcohol all night while the bunches of garage flowers in sellophane wrappers rot in lines all the way up a lamppost.

The locals are too afraid of the so called ‘mourners’ to tackle the issue and have to suffer the spectacle.

The rotted flowers and sellophane stays in this bungalows view (and view of passing traffic) til the next booze up excuse!
Pathetic.

If a law forbade these pop up cemeteries under the grounds of littering and illegal signage or similar, the council could deal with it, removing any ‘blame’ being associated with the unfortunate householder and other residents. About time one was passed.

Exactly Laguna, to think that people should feel sad and upset about a criminal who got killed in action, breaking to an elderly man's house to rob and probably harm him. Really the mindset of some on here is shocking. I don't think they would be so sad if they were confronted in the middle of the night be a criminal breaking into their home and threatening the safety of their kids and family.

I agree NotAnother, not all travellers are bad, there are good and bad ones, like there are good and bad people. I think we had traveller kids knocking looking for work in the day (term time), most kids are at school. I told them no thank you, and they were very polite.

I don't think they would be so sad if they were confronted in the middle of the night be a criminal breaking into their home and threatening the safety of their kids and family.

If I happened to kill anyone, including a burglar, I'd be sad, yes. I can't find myself be satisfied by anyone's death.

And I've been threatened in my own home.

Outsiders are certainly inflaming the situation as it is at present

The people placing the flowers are 'the outsiders inflaming the situation'. The locals want the flowers removed, they have said so to the media (witholding their names) and are obviously too scared to go out and remove them, so others are removing them on their behalf.

I am not sure it's understood how serious and frightening threats, either direct or veiled, from hardened convicted criminals or gangsters, are. The pensioners, and possibly their neigjbours, are now having security devices fitted to their house, some of it by the fire brigade. Their downstairs windows are completely boarded up. They are being called 'murderers' and alsorts by the burglars family but they have done nothing wrong.
They are being menaced by a large extended family of hardcore serious offenders. This is not just about some kids breaking into a house. They were armed buglars, they have spent years serving long prison terms and now their relatives are attempting to take over the street by repeatedly placing tributes. It wouldn't have been so bad if they had backed off the first time the 'tributes' were removed, had second thoughts maybe but no, they keep coming back for more. Who is 'inflaming the situation' again?

What 'Pinochet, Thatcher, Princess Diana or the EDL' have to with any of this, God only knows

Lewji I think you are the exception, rather than the norm. It depends on the circumstances, if they were trying to assault and attack , even rape, I don't think I would feel sad, rather, it had to be done, or it would be me that would be dead.

They’re guarding the flowers and threatening the locals with arrest now.

Calling a 14 year old murder victim a virtual signaller is fucking disgusting.

Horrible comment.

*virtue

Calling a 14 year old murder victim a virtual signaller is fucking disgusting

This.

Seriously, its like all the worst people on MN found each other.