To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

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This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

I wonder what the reaction would be if the stabbing was by a young black man in hackney

The reaction would have been the same no matter what the colour of the burglars skin was.

I doubt it cup

Name, of course it is intimidating, they are also threatening Mr Osbourne. Yes a man died in the middle of committing a crime, that is the way it is when you live on the other side of the law, it comes with territory. That is how I feel about this criminal dying in the middle of committing a crime, I hope that it can be put to rest now and move on with the rest of us. Unfortunately for the poor gentleman, he has to live the rest of his years with this, and probably under Police protection.

As I said, if anybody did that to the burglars family, I bet you they would put the person 6 feet under, and then some. Don;t dish it out, if you can't take it.

It would Name, a criminal is a criminal, whatever skin colour they are.

I've just seen about this on the news - a man pulling them all down and shouting scumbag - I'm worried for him

Traveller sites are left in a disgusting mess? fact. If anyone has photos of sites left clean and tidy please post.

The point is that it's not a travellers' exclusive. Which is why cities have street cleaners. And major street parties and concerts need cleaning teams.

Also nothing to do with this instance of relatives leaving flowers in this place. Or the deceased's activities.

I agree. I'm worried for the vigilantes and homeowners, as well as the elderly victims.

I've just seen about this on the news - a man pulling them all down and shouting scumbag - I'm worried for him

I've just seen that too, he was so angry. Who is he? Is he a neighbour?

The fence owner must be absolutely shitting himself.

The police are scum for letting this happen. They could have used anti-social behaviour legislation to stop the flowers going up in the first place but they didn’t and now that poor homeowner is in danger.

I'm not saying Harry was not to blame. He was. His family may well feel shame for what he did. But they also have a right to feel devasted at the death of their family member. If, heaven forbid, my son did anything like Harry did, I'd feel awful. However, I would still miss him terribly, grieve immensely for his loss, and not think straight at all in the days and weeks after his death. Because I love him.

I raised the question about whether reaction would be different if the old gentleman was a young black man in Hackney because I genuinely think it would. I work with offenders, and this type of 'self defence' crime is fairly common - but young black men tend to get convicted, not public sympathy. It's sad, but true.

Again, just reiterating, I feel very sorry for the elderly gentleman in this case and think he must be going through hell. I feel for him and his family.

mydog - as I mentioned upthread, I have dealt with some sites where travellers have been quiet, orderly and moved on with little or no mess or hassle. Sadly it has been the minority in my experience, but there are definitely some groups who treat the property of others respectfully. The problem is, you don't know which group you're going to get when they arrive.

It’s just typical of the police these days, they seem to spend more time protecting criminals and the anti-social than they do fighting crime.

I'm not saying Harry was not to blame. He was. His family may well feel shame for what he did

I honestly don't think they'll feel one bit of shame about him.

Shame unfortunately seems to be a rare quality. From these vile bastards to the bankers to the politicians expenses and benefit cheats.

Ordinary hard working tax payers have to accept their vile behaviour apparently.

Just butting in regarding whether these people are of Romany or Irish Traveller descent.

My theory is, if their name is Connors, Joyce, McDonagh, Ward etc. they are Irish Travellers.

The people involved in this crime were named as Henry Vincent and Billy Jeeves. Don't sound Irish to me!

I'm voting for Romany descent not Irish Travellers on this one, as names are important for identity surely?

Anyway, this is escalating fast, and should have been nipped in the bud after a 24 hour allowance. No good will come from this, and the neighbours and residents on that road must be sick of it all, and quite scared too. Awful stuff.

Thank you.

It’s just typical of the police these days,

That is exactly the sort of statement that vicar was getting cross about earlier in the thread. The police have to follow the law and if no laws are being broken at the moment, their hands are tied. They have to monitor the situation, watch and wait.

I honestly don't think they'll feel one bit of shame about him.

I don’t think they do either. They were excusing it saying he was ‘just trying to get a bit of money’ like robbing people is the only way of doing that.

They should be afraid though, they’re giving it all the hard man now, but he picked onthe elderly and vulnerable because he was a coward.

Anyway, Trump’s knocked them off the front page so maybe it’ll calm down now.

Saucy that’s good to hear it really is. Glad you hsve some positive experiences to share.

name I think bringing colour into this debate is very strange to be honest.

Name I think people are very sympathetic because the victim was elderly, and he had a disabled wife, he could been black and I think people would have felt the way they did. But I think they would have felt a bit different if the victim was a young man, regardless of their skin colour.

I am not saying that Henry Vincent's family don't have a right to grieve, they do, but on their own turf, not intimidating both Mr Osbourne and his neighbours by their presence in the area by them constantly putting up these highly inappropriate tributes.

Good fuck people on this thread are vile. Lots of racist sterotyping, celebrating someones violent death, and tributes to people for stabbing someone. Sick

Saying you are glad someone is dead is not the same as celebrating it. Of course Im glad hes dead. One less violent thug and complete and utter scum to prey on elderly people. Caring more about 1 dead scumbag than potentially 100s of elderly people who were his potential victims is my definition of vile.

Good fuck people on this thread are vile. Lots of racist sterotyping, celebrating someones violent death, and tributes to people for stabbing someone. Sick

It's not 'sterotyping' when we have real experiences of dealing with members of the 'community'.

Also, Name don't be niave to think that they are putting these tributes up solely because they are grieving, they are also designed to intimidate.

@CupofFrothyCoffee I'm not sure who the man was

Don’t rise it’s really not worth it. On another track looking forward to the kids going back to school. Couldn’t get into my local coffee shop bloody teenagers everywhere.

It's not 'sterotyping' when we have real experiences of dealing with members of the 'community'.

It is when you assign those experiences to all members, though. By definition.