To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

[frankchickens]

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

People get confused at this though as no one has suggested they be discriminated against

People on this thread have done exactly that. See all the pp complaining how people called them racist.....they're the people who had posts deleted for being racist! HTH

You were called a racist dick for being a racist dick. You could have supported anyone without being so and wouldn';t have been called it

I think it was only that said that. I don't think anyone agreed with you.

I agreed, Coffee. And it looks like MN did too since they deleted your post.

Oops, that should have said that it was Mydog's post that was deleted. Although Coffee's was too, for similar reasons.

If it was a choice between him being dead or him being caught by the police, doing a few years in prison then coming out and finding more victims (which had happened in the past more then once) yes I am glad he is dead

But you don't know that is the choice, do you, Thegreatest? You can't predict the future any more than anyone else can.

Honestly feel like a tribute should be given to the old man, let's out stuff up right outside the travellers site and see how they would like it.

Moving back on topic ... by far the best way to de-escalate this entire saga would be for the Press to back off. The Mail is having a lovely time whipping up its brain-challenged readers, and of course a certain sector of the burglar's brain-challenged relatives and friends is revelling in the attention.

We need Kate to pop that sprog out as a matter of urgency to give the Mail something else to fill up their space with.

A tribute for killing someone?
Good fuck people on this thread are vile. Lots of racist sterotyping, celebrating someones violent death, and tributes to people for stabbing someone.
Sick.

Hell yes a tribute for the guy.

Yes, the fact that at least one person from North London with no connection to the people in the street where it all happened, decided to drive all the way over there to remove and destroy the flowers, is very, very unhelpful. I think this is going to be something of a flashpoint, and it is already being used to stir up hostility to travellers in general. (It's fairly clear that the dead burglar and his family are an unpleasant bunch, but, you know, not all travellers are violent thieves and not all violent thieves are travellers).

So it's unfortunately quite likely that some crew of mouthbreathing racists will decide to attack a traveller encampment, and then there will be further retaliations, and quite probably some of the people who get hurt will be little old ladies and kids...

The person broke into an old man's home. Burgled him. Got stabbed. True justice in my eyes.

The old man was not charged because he protected his home and he shouldn't feel threatened to go back to his own home. So yes let's pay our respects to the old man and his family who have also had their lives ruined.

So are you.

I'm really not.

Nor am I then. . Let's just say difference of opinion

Like I said difference of opinion. I can say you're a sick fuck and you can say I am.
Regardless someone died yes, upsetting for the family but an old couple feel frightened to go home and do need to know that people do support them.

So it's unfortunately quite likely that some crew of mouthbreathing racists will decide to attack a traveller encampment

Really? I'd really be amazed if this happened. Is there any suggestion that the villagers are arming themselves with pikes to march on the traveller camps? Would be actually astonished if anyone does this.

I think part of the problem with posts about travellers is that it is absolutely true to say that not all - or even close to all - travellers do these things/behave like this. So of course statements that they do are racist bigoted etc.

But it may be true that if you are a traveller - from certain families and living in certain places - and you commit crimes, the police (and the gardai in Ireland) will treat you differently/be less likely to call you to account/less likely to go after you, chase down the stolen goods etc. This is an institutional failure on the part of the police/gardai and I think it is down to them being unable to manage dealing with awful crime in a nuanced way that doesn't make assumptions about race/religion etc. That is probably down to lack of resources. But it does leave people feeling that when bad things happen in their community caused by travellers, there are no consequences. whereas if bad things happened (as they do of course ) caused by other people, there are consequences.

I also think this comes down to where many people meet travellers - looking at what land looks like after they've been through. Again, of course not all travellers will do this. And of course other people are vandals/wreck land too. The difference I see is people perceive that in one case there will be no consequences/follow up and in the other there probably will be.

I think the Rotherham shit came out of the same thing. So police were faced with the fact that some muslims were doing these crimes but they didn't treat them the way they would if they were non-muslims doing the same thing. Although sadly in Rotherham, I think anyone could have done it and police would have reacted as they did.

Pallisers. Very well put

Pallisers: I don't think that it's the local community (ie Hither Green residents) who will start running round with pitchforks. But EDL-type cocks (from all over the place) might decide to 'do something'.

I agree. Well put.

Except that there are violent white supremacists, in not small numbers, who might well be happy to invade a camp.
As well as normal people who, egged on as a crowd, could easily do the same.
Sadly, there are violent people everywhere and in all groups who think they are above the law.

I agree group mentality may kick In, if a small group attacks, everyone wants to follow in and do so as don't want to be left out feel they could become a target.
I'm predicting violence.

Why are people mentioning 'racism' and the 'EDL'? It's got nothing to do with that as far as it seems. The first person who tore the flowers down, and has just done so again, isn't even white.
How do you know it isn't other Romany who are disgusted with all this and 'driving down from north London' to protest or even that there might be disgusted Romany commenting with strong language on here!
This is 2018. We live in a modern western country, we choose our lifestyle choices, culture and ideology. Being a traveller does not have to be about whether your gt grandad was a hawker of pegs. You can choose to be one or choose not to be. What does 'traveller' even mean these days?
For all we know, the people pulling the flowers down could be from an English traveller heritage or an English Jewish heritage or English whatever heritage.

Not every dispute between everyday people, from varied heritage, is about 'race'.

No, you are, I'm not. Only one of us is glad someone died horribly and wants to give medals for killing someone hmm

Whilst I would normally never celebrate someone's death, it's not hard to understand why many may feel a sense of grim satisfaction that a career criminal (who has been imprisoned twice and put on the wanted list for crimes targeting elderly people) got himself killed whilst violently robbing a 78 year old man and his disabled wife. I don't weep for his death, his removal from society is nothing but a bonus, to be fair - I feel enormously sorry for the elderly couple who have been terrorised from their home and can't return, having their final years marred by violence and stress.

His family aren't doing themselves any favours by treating him like a victim - obviously it's to be expected that they'd be grieving, but you think they'd acknowledge the victims of his crime.

But then again his father and brothers are scumbags that been jailed for targeting the elderly too, who say bollocks like, "He was too good to walk this earth". Bit of a shame he didn't walk off it earlier, before he decided to start persecuting the elderly for his own gain.

The flowers are inappropriate and are blatant intimidation.

Anyone else would be bringing flowers and condolences to the NOK, his partner or his parents.

Within and outside the Traveller community, there are a hard core of skanks who will lavish tributes on people who the rest of society are pleased to see the back of. They weren't criminals, they were "souljas".

These skanks may or may not have criminal records themselves, but are more than happy to maintain a criminal code, help their friends and family wherever they can and who treat normal people with contempt as we abide by laws and cooperate with police. Cuz we're "grasses" innit?

Recently, a man died of a gunshot wound to the head and his grieving friends sprayed graffiti over his house. His rented house.

The Facebook war that broke out between his friends and those who thought the graffiti was stupid and a pain in the arse for the landlord was eye opening.

The police should have prevented the flowers being laid down and need to get on top of this before someone else gets hurt.

@Alpineflowers

You seem to have failed to notice the mention that ordinary people in groups are capable of violence.

The mention of EDL was a reference to a group of non-travellers who has been associated with violence. It was to show that violence is not exclusive to certain groups or cultures.