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To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

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frankchickens · 10/04/2018 10:47

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

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Mydoghatesthebath · 10/04/2018 21:54

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Alpineflowers · 10/04/2018 21:55

Hi
I'm new to the discussion and my first point might be slightly off topic , but there seems to be some confusion about ethnicity, the term 'travellers' and what it means. Irish Travellers are ethnically Irish and come from Ireland, they came to England relatively recently. On the other hand, Romany 'travellers' are English and descended from ethnic Gypsies who came to England hundreds of years ago. Ethnically they are two very different people/communities.

I agree with most posters, that the flowers are part of an ongoing campaign of intimidation of the pensioners. I feel sorry for them, they have done nothing wrong. They are elderly and vulnerable and that's why the burglars chose them as their prey. Their home was violated. The burglars used armed force. It was an 'aggravated burglary'. If you look on google maps at the street where this is happening, you can see that the house is now more or less being surrounded with these 'flowers'. It is possible that some members of the criminals family didn't know the full extent and seriousness of their relatives crimes but even so, that is still no excuse to mob the street where the pensioners live. Why didn't the family of the criminals just stay away and keep quiet?

Mightymucks · 10/04/2018 21:58

Irish Travellers are ethnically Irish and come from Ireland

Not true. They are a distinct genetic group:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/science/travellers-as-genetically-different-from-settled-irish-as-spanish-1.2969515%3fmode=amp

sheldonesque · 10/04/2018 21:59

From what I've seen on this thread, the emergency services have got their hiring strategy spot on.

Only one person liking the sound of their own wailing voice on here as far as I can see...

vicar Flowers

Alpineflowers · 10/04/2018 22:01

@ Mightymucks

They are a distinct group, but a group within the Irish population. They are Irish and not related to ethnic Gypsies

Justanotherlurker · 10/04/2018 22:02

If you can't see it I guess you have to be as racist as the people saying it....

According to you I can't you see, I'm a minority...

Whilst it may be true that there is some outright racism, i haven't read the full thread there is an element who do really try and bat away any valid criticism of the people involved in putting up the flowers.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 10/04/2018 22:04

YANBU. About time someone took them down. I know respect the dead and all that. However in hIs case. I'm making a huge exeption.. He was a cunt in life and he'll be a cunt who death who came from a family of cunts who are now incidentally threatening this poor bloke and his wife. Infact to the point that they have had to flee their home and, for what stinking scumbags. HAve they not been arrested and charged with threatening behaviour.

Ivorbig1 · 10/04/2018 22:07

Yabu
Leaving floral tributes is not offensive.
It is the place the tributes have been left that could be said to be offensive.
It is customary to leave floral tributes where a loved one has died.
It’s bitterly painful for the old couple, I definitely believe we should be able to defend ourselves once our own home. But. Someone’s loved one is dead and not coming back, 24 pages filled with mostly hate towards Travellers and Gypsies is just not justified. Mn however will let it stand as usual.

MissEliza · 10/04/2018 22:09

It seems this thread has become very nasty. I've just come on to say I really hope this couple get support but I doubt it. They don't deserve this at their time of life. It does seem like the media are giving them space although the police may have put their foot down about this.

Alpineflowers · 10/04/2018 22:14

...re my last post, though the community under discussion are not Irish Travellers

SaltireSaltire · 10/04/2018 22:26

It is customary to leave floral tributes where a loved one has died

No it’s not!

Geez - could you imagine leaving flowers everywhere someone died! You wouldn’t be able to get through the door of hospitals for one! Not sure the people living in the two houses my parents died in would appreciate me rocking up a with a shrine outside their old homes either.

This is a fairly recent phenomenon - and only very few people do it. It’s nonsense.

Go plant a living tree in memory of a loved one - much nicer. Or make a donation to charity.

It is outrageous to think people want to look at mock cemeteries everywhere. And who clears away the rotting flowers and crumbling paper? Yes - some poor sod who has nothing to do with the deceased!

Mightymucks · 10/04/2018 22:30

The flowers thing started with road accidents and at least they drew some attention to road safety.

Springiscoming123 · 10/04/2018 22:30

he didnt die there anyway,so if you want to be factual they need to be doing this in another road

wonder why they are notHmm

Mydoghatesthebath · 10/04/2018 22:33

What community? There no black/white/traveller/whatever community! It’s some humans doing bloody unspeakable acts and most not.

Calling people communities just allows them to hide and blest that they are victimised and other twats to join the ‘defending the community’ bollocks.

There is the law and there are law breakers. Any sensitivity surrounding so called communities is an apology for an excuse.

Like this case, like Telford now, like forced marriage and gender mutilation like domestic violence and cunts as jimmy saville as white and beyond reproach.

Stop with the community card.

derxa · 10/04/2018 22:38

Well said Mydog

Alpineflowers · 10/04/2018 22:41

Mydoghatesthebath

I agree, and I only used the word 'community' because it's a buzzword 'catch all' term. I could have worded it better I suppose

MagneticMan · 10/04/2018 22:46

he didnt die there anyway,so if you want to be factual they need to be doing this in another road

Agree.

If that other thieving scrote had managed to get him back in the van and he'd pegged it in there would they be tying flowers to it?

I notice the family aren't trying to hunt him down even though he fucked off and left their relative dying in the street.

To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive
falang · 10/04/2018 22:47

I can understand the family of the dead burglar wanting to grieve. But I can't understand them wanting to do it so publicly. If I was related to him I'd be so ashamed that he was such a vile human being I wouldn't want anyone to know I was related to him.

WowLookAtYou · 10/04/2018 22:50

I'd be so ashamed that he was such a vile human being I wouldn't want anyone to know I was related to him.
Probably a badge of honour for this crew.

I notice the family aren't trying to hunt him down even though he fucked off and left their relative dying in the street.
Well, we don't know that they aren't. I suspect there's stuff going on behind the scenes.

Mydoghatesthebath · 10/04/2018 22:54

Alpine get you and we all do it of course Smile

MagneticMan · 10/04/2018 22:57

Well, we don't know that they aren't. I suspect there's stuff going on behind the scenes.

If he turns up dead I'll believe that, but somehow I doubt it. He's probably being defended as a "good man with a heart of gold" just like dear Henry.

Alpineflowers · 10/04/2018 23:00

From a Janet Street Porter article.

'Mrs Osborn-Brooks, who is disabled, was trapped in her bedroom while Vincent’s sidekick (thought to be Billy Jeeves) ransacked the room. Her 78-year-old husband was forced downstairs, and a struggle ensued during which Vincent was fatally stabbed with a screwdriver.'

So the poor man was forced downstairs, presumably at the point of a screwdriver or some other weapon, and his disabled wife was left upstairs at the mercy of the another vicious criminal named Jeeves.

He must have been absolutely terrified

SaltireSaltire · 10/04/2018 23:01

Well, we don't know that they aren't. I suspect there's stuff going on behind the scenes

You mean they won’t hand him over to the police? 😨

Springiscoming123 · 10/04/2018 23:01

If that other thieving scrote had managed to get him back in the van and he'd pegged it in there would they be tying flowers to it?

agree but no chance as the van has been burnt out

as i said up thread the other one will be being in hiding
on a travellers site and the police wont dare enter

though i have read that the travellers will not be happy him leaving the other and running of,you dont do that apparently!

dont know how true that is

Mydoghatesthebath · 10/04/2018 23:04

Totally my heart breaks for them as my parents are very similar ages and situations.

What sort of a human being bullies the elderly? Same as bullies children and animals

A bag of scum. So glad he’s dead. I suspect they hoped to force the elderly man to use his bank card etc while the other cunt threatened his wife.

Again so glad he’s dead

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