To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

[frankchickens]

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

I'll double crew with you vicar.
I think some people on this thread are "known, not wanted"

Just RTFT.

I think without doubt the flowers and the presence of the "mourners" is intimidating and designed to be so.

Yes, the dead man was someone's son. If my son did this I would of course be sad and sorry. Also ashamed. I think I would understand that my son brought his death on himself and I would seek to express my regret to his victims.

I have no experience of travellers and couldn't care less whether he is a traveller, a Catholic bishop or a radio DJ. He's a criminal and I feel no sorrow for his death.

is there a bit of a theme on mumsnet of late? Random accusations of ‘racist’ at anybody to dares criticise the behaviour of members of certain groups

Yes along with ageist, misogynist and all the other ists, doesn't matter the topic being discussed.

I know the law and I don’t think the police would have acted the same under different circumstances.

I have friends who are police, not community service, and they have all said there is an element that makes this situation different.

Anyone taking just vicars word as gospel of the police, take a glance over at reddit and the policeuk sub, the main posters their are verified police officers etc, they have spent years talking about police cuts etc, no one has mentioned it in relation to this particular scenario.

I would allude to the general theme in the threads but it would mean this post getting deleted.

I feel very sorry for the elderly victims.

Have precisely zero sympathy for the career criminal. Yes he’s dead, and? Hardly a great loss to the world is he.

His community are blatantly playing at intimidation tactics. Why is anybody bothering to argue to the contrary?

Elendon is being...herself. Standard.

I feel so so sorry for the elderly couple who were burgled. Their lives are in uproar. Will they even be able to ever return to their home?

I believe threats have been made regarding them returning which, if true, are absolutely disgusting.

I don't care if the burglar is black, white, indian, chinese or even an alien he was a piece of scum who thought it acceptable to con and rob people, mainly elderly people.

Yes he was someone's son, brother etc but it's despicable that his family are trying to make him out to be some sort of kind hearted saint. If he were a relative of mine I would be so ashamed I would be keeping quiet not making a song and dance about his death.

mightymucks I''m really sorry that happened to you. I was in a similar position about 12 years ago in my HA flat. Luckily the family that wanted my flat for their daughter heard that my family had a reputation for not running away from trouble and there were no repercussions when I wouldn't move. Thank god because I think in a later ongoing feud involving that family and someone else, the other poor bugger got run over.

I really hope those flowers are removed and not put up for a 4th time, but I have a horrible feeling it won't be that easy. I really wouldn't want to live in Hither Green at the moment, and I do feel really sorry for RIchard OB & his wife.

is there a bit of a theme on mumsnet of late? Random accusations of ‘racist’ at anybody to dares criticise the behaviour of members of certain groups

I have noticed this extremely from about 4 or 5 people. Megan Markle, Dianne Abbott, Sadiq Khan.

Public figures who draw their income from public fund and therefore are a legitimate target for comment.

I’ve had plenty of experience of travellers. I’m sure the vast majority of them are absolutely charming, law abiding people.

Unfortunately I seem to have repeatedly met the tiny minority whose children are feral, who can’t keep their hands off other people’s belongings and who leave a disgusting mess behind them when they move on.

The flower debacle will be endless ~ every anniversary of the death the flowers will go up.

All attempts to make public areas look like cemeteries needs outlawing, then council workers would just be despatched to remove them.

I hope mumsnet HQ remain strong about this detailing of threads where certain posters call others racist.

I was called a racist dick on this thread for supporting these elderly victims and in my view examining the facts surrounding the situation as we know them.

I wouldn’t report as the posters doing this are beneath my notice but I hopr mumsnet are robust in repelling this shit

www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/pubs-close-in-cromer-as-police-manage-low-level-disorder-incidents-1-5155838.

This is the Cromer, Norfolk, example of a select few travellers.

I don't care if they did, it was the truth. Plenty of it on this thread

Yes, the dead man was someone's son. If my son did this I would of course be sad and sorry. Also ashamed. I think I would understand that my son brought his death on himself and I would seek to express my regret to his victims

Correct. I’d be ashamed of the way he was living his life, mourning his death, recognise his death was as a result of his own behaviour and apologising to the old couple whose life he has wrecked. I’d also tell those leaving ‘tributes’ to find a more appropriate was to remember my son ~ maybe raising funds for victims of crime (for sure countless bunches of dead flowers would not be wanted by me).

You've noticed Megan Markle et all calling people racist on MN? tell us more!

No that would have been great fun.

Plenty of it on this thread

I presume its of the "dog whistle" variety, which essentially means you can use broad brush statements and try and make out people are inferring things...

Yes it’s the usual nonsense. It’s got worse in the last few years certainly since I joined in, gosh 2007 I think.

Hopefully mumsnet will keep the eye on these idiots they usually do. Best not bite. They are like teenagers trying to shock although have to say we taught our 6 kids to debate and disagree but they were too self assured and clever to try and simply shut down debate by calling insults.

Bless some people just can’t debate like adults.

i don’t care if they did and I will hold my breath and stamp my foot if you dare to disagree.

I am a bit baffled at the sympathy for the dead man. If ever there were a case of asking for trouble...

My view is possibly coloured by my own father having had to shoot an intruder in a life-or-death situation (not in the UK before anyone queries that).

I think from my point of view it’s not ‘all travellers are crooks and scum’. As I said I know the travelers in Rathkeale are alright. I have met some lovely English Romani and I know in Cork there are some living in awful conditions. My ILs always bought their carpets off travellers, they always did good deals and never ripped them off. They’ve also told me how in the 1970s recession travellers suffered more than most people in Ireland.

But I think part of the point is that like any group of people there is good and bad. And the blanket protection and immunity from the law also protects the bad ones.