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To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

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frankchickens · 10/04/2018 10:47

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

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Elendon · 10/04/2018 17:22

So the death of someone is something to celebrate?

A man killed another man. The circumstances have to be investigated.

Killed man has people who mourn him.

I'm sure of one thing though. I bet the Queen and Charles never thought for one moment that Diana would get the flowers she did. She was despised after all.

bryheresse · 10/04/2018 17:27

So the death of someone is something to celebrate?

Nobody has said it is something to celebrate, just that it is tasteless and intimidating to put the flowers on the house belonging to the elderly couple who he tried to burgle and threaten with a screwdriver.

A man killed another man. The circumstances have to be investigated

And they were. He was arrested. And the police concluded that it was legitimate self defence.

Killed man has people who mourn him

And they can do that somewhere else. They should put their "shrine" outside his actual home, not the house he broke into.

SweetSummerchild · 10/04/2018 17:29

I remember a few years ago there was a conviction of a group of Irish travellers who were responsible for huge numbers of caravan thefts. In addition to the vans themselves, the police recovered vast amounts of stolen goods that they had taken from the vans - including jewellery and other valuables.

On the news article there was a camera shot showing the large haul of stolen goods recovered. Included was a lot of Crown Derby china.

Now, I don’t know of any non-travellers who would put Crown Derby in their caravans. It just wouldn’t happen. These ‘travellers’ were stealing, in no small part, from their own communities. As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, large numbers of traveller men die due to violent crimes against them. I’d be prepared to bet that nearly all these murders (which likely go unsolved) are committed by travellers.

It seems to me that the most common ‘victims’ of traveller violent crimes are other travellers. Isn’t it time the communities woke up and started sorting out their problems in a manner more appropriate to a civilised country in 2018?

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 10/04/2018 17:30

I thought the circumstances have been investigated and the burglary victim has been released without charges, Elendon.

Creambun2 · 10/04/2018 17:32

Good thing the flowers have been pulled down. The relatives shit on that being a burglar is fine "he wasn't a rapist or something" Confused

ReanimatedSGB · 10/04/2018 17:33

It does look as though, in this case, the 'shrine' is an attempt to intimidate and distress the residents of that road.
I agree with PP who said it's not so much the case that Vincent 'deserved to die' for being a career burglar, but that being physically attacked, with fatal consequences, by an intended victim is a risk you take when you break into people's houses. It sounds quite likely that, whatever the homeowner did which caused Vincent's death, it was not specifically his intention to kill him, more a matter of making him leave. (Distinct from Tony Martin, who killed a burglar by shooting him in the back as he was trying to run away, and who had been making remarks about wanting to kill burglars some time before it happened).

Mydoghatesthebath · 10/04/2018 17:35

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StepAwayFromGoogle · 10/04/2018 17:36

@miffytherabbit1974 - more than happy to accept that I may have read more into your posts than was there. I'm not going to read over them all again but it did seem that anyone expressing a negative opinion/experience of travellers was being branded racist. If that wasn't your intention then I've no issue at all with us having different opinions on something.

@margesimpson40 - of course anyone can give their own personal experience of an ethnic group without being racist. Opinion says 'in my experience of people x, y and z', racism says 'All people are x, y and z because of my experience.' There's an important difference. Incidentally the most 'racist' comments I have ever received were when I worked in Scotland for three months, and they were for being English. From pretty much half of people I met.

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HebeMumsnet · 10/04/2018 17:36

Afternoon, everyone. Just a reminder that we are obviously happy for this news story to be discussed but please do refrain from making sweeping statements about entire communities, such as travellers. We'll remove any posts like that and if there are too many we will have to take the entire thread down, which would be a shame.

Mydoghatesthebath · 10/04/2018 17:39

Elendon’

Are you comparing Princess Diana’s desth with the death of this scum bag? Hmm

Actually yes I am quite happy he’s dead as he’s one scum bag less. One less to be out of jail terrorising old people like my parents. One less scum bag to cost us tax payers in prison food and benefits.

Yes quite pleased actually.

carbuncleonapigsposterior · 10/04/2018 17:40

I think the flowers and tributes have been put up and taken down several times over now. I don't know why the police are being so cagey in allowing the road to be turned into a shrine. I can't help remembering a little while back, a town in Norfolk, I think Cromer, experienced some very bad goings on due to travellers, it was shamefully denied at first, but when the truth came out, I believe the police back tracked. The act of turning the road where Mr Osborn-Brooks lived into a sob fest memorial is an act of "marking their territory defiance". Mr O-B and his wife, who has dementia and is very distressed at not being able to return home, are the victims here. I am sorry for the children of the burglar who have lost their father it isn't their fault to have been born into such a family. A family whose existence is one of career criminals who perpetrated a catalogue of extortion against vulnerable elderly people has been wicked and shameful.

Charolais · 10/04/2018 17:42

Well perhaps anyone on this thread should have said so. People give opinions based on the info given

Repeal I live in the west coast of the United States and I am aware of what the family (of the POS killed by the hero) have been doing with their trash & intimidation. You need to be informed about the subject at hand before you offer your opinion.

Thegreatestshowwomen · 10/04/2018 17:43

He was a scum bag, he family are scum bags. They happen to be travellers. You get scum bags in all types of communities including upper class white people.

Mightymucks · 10/04/2018 17:43

I’m not celebrating his death but to be quite honest I couldn’t give two shits if his family are mourning. They knew exactly what he was up to, kept their mouths shut and enjoyed the money.

I wonder how many pensioners (his victim of choice) he sent to an early grave because his raid traumatised them so much? Quite a few I reckon. And his family couldn’t have given a shit about them and their families so I can’t really muster up any sympathy for them.

I’ve had my own personal run ins with some of those travelers from Star Lane and they are pure evil. I had to leave my legally let council flat with nowhere to go on police advice because they considered it theirs and would do anything to get me out and I was genuinely in danger. Leaving those flowers was not a meaningless act.

They don’t give a hoot about anybody but themselves.

Lweji · 10/04/2018 17:45

You get scum bags in all types of communities including upper class white people.

Some of them are even voted into office. They steal more and scare more people. But I digress.

Elendon · 10/04/2018 17:45

I don't think it would be a shame if this post was taken down.

The sweeping statements regarding an entire community is abhorrent and gives no insight into how that community honours their dead.

PortiaCastis · 10/04/2018 17:49

I agree with Elendon

Elendon · 10/04/2018 17:49

Actually yes I am quite happy he’s dead as he’s one scum bag less. One less to be out of jail terrorising old people like my parents. One less scum bag to cost us tax payers in prison food and benefits.

Yes quite pleased actually.

Personally, I save my scum bag one less for paedophiles but they normally are happy to be put in prison.

At least the biggest serial killer known to mankind had the decency to kill himself. Notwithstanding he killed and robbed many pensioners.

Doctor Harold Shipman.

FrancisCrawford · 10/04/2018 17:50

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RepealMay25th · 10/04/2018 17:50

But hey of course all the other travellers are singing uplifting songs while they travel in their painted caravans working on the land and paying taxes

You're confusing Travellers with Romany Gypsies you racist dick.

CaptainCabinets · 10/04/2018 17:51

@Elendon what honour? It's intimidation and harassment, plain and simple.

Springiscoming123 · 10/04/2018 17:51

It seems to me that the most common ‘victims’ of traveller violent crimes are other travellers. Isn’t it time the communities woke up and started sorting out their problems in a manner more appropriate to a civilised country in 2018

and how do you suggest that happens ??

its well known that bare knuckle boxing is one of the ways they sort their troubles out,i dont think a chat over a cup of tea is going to cut it somehow,they make their own rules

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frankchickens · 10/04/2018 17:54

OP here - I didn't mean this to turn into a traveller-bashing thread. I think the action of creating a shrine outside the victim of the burglar's house is an attempt at intimidation, and according to BBC reports, it's working.

I'd hate to be the owner of the fence they are using.

The people putting up the flowers etc must realise it offends others, so I assume they are doing it to achieve that effect - otherwise the shrine could be at his home, or the site where his acomplice's burnt-out van was found perhaps.

I'd like the Police to put a stop to this, but I realise they are in a difficult position.

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Mydoghatesthebath · 10/04/2018 17:55

Elendon

Yes Dr Shipmam was an evil evil monster? Your point is??

What that he was a middle class white man? Who cares?

You deflect and excuse the indefensible by saying ‘well other people are bad too’ Nonsense argument.

And by the way regarding the community honouring their dead how about acting decently and with respect?

How about being ashamed and contrite about their relatives hideous crime and being quiet

No chance because they don’t see he was in the wrong.