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Are men wired differently or is this a BS excuse

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37KAT · 10/04/2018 07:49

So, I get annoyed with DH that he doesn't notice the mound of recycling waiting to go outside, the washing on the line that needs to come in, dishwasher that is full, things that need putting away... need I go on..? I admit, I ignore it for a while then lose the plot a bit telling him how he does little to help. He will then do jobs.
He accuses me of nagging and the cheeky bugger said if I just "asked nicely" he would willingly do these things. I say I shouldn't have to ask, it's his home too and is he happy living in mess. We both work although me less hours.

We had a conversation about it and he was deadly serious and explained that he will do things in his own time, men aren't programmed to notice one empty tin can on the side waiting to be put in the recycling, can multi task etc. I wonder if there is anything in our genetic make up. I know some men who are very involved in household tasks, but the majority I know seem like my DH.
Is this an excuse and anyone could change their behaviour if they wanted to? It is one of the biggest issues to cause friction at home.
AIBU to think this is BS?

OP posts:
QuimReaper · 10/04/2018 10:40

I've been making a conscious effort not to see this as a "male / female" thing recently and realise that it is just different standards, and that it is unreasonable of me to insist on my standards rather than attempt a compromise.

For instance, DH will eat a bowl of cereal in the living room in the morning and leave his bowl there. I spent months becoming obsessed with this and going absolutely postal about it - "you're going to the kitchen anyway, how hard is it to just take the bowl with you? It's what I would do!" - and to be fair to him he made a pretty game effort, but his argument - a bit like the OP's husband's - was that just because he didn't do it in the exact way and timeframe that I would have, didn't mean he wasn't going to do it at all. So eventually I tested that theory and just ignored the bowls, and sure enough, they eventually made their way downstairs, sometimes on the same day, sometimes in gangs of two or three, but it did get done. So the fairest conclusion is that if it really matters to me that it gets done immediately then I can do it myself, or I can chill out a tiny bit and let him take care of it.

I still struggle with this a bit, because it's so maddeningly illogical to leave a cereal bowl on your desk when you're going to the sink anyway, but I started trying to see it from the reverse - for instance, of an evening I tend to have a cup of tea right before bed, and if he's already switched off the lights etc. downstairs, I won't make the journey especially to put the mug away, so I leave it until the morning. I'd be pretty pissed if I lived with someone who couldn't possibly leave a mug out overnight, and started nagging me about it.

The thing is that women have been terribly mistreated by these assumptions about housework over the years, and the equity still certainly isn't there on the whole, so it's easy to be very touchy on the subject and actually end up adopting a very unreasonable position without meaning to. I am very tidy and get stressed around mess, but if I lived with someone whose standards were as high as I sometimes see on MN - hoovering twice a day, ironing sheets etc.- and they pestered me to maintain what I thought were mad standards, I'd feel very harassed and would think they were very unfair.

Caveat: obviously all of the above relates to non-urgent jobs. If essential things are not getting done and one party is claiming to be biologically incapable of providing food and clean clothes or whatever, then it's a different ball game entirely.

Ginsodden · 10/04/2018 10:40

OP, he will put out the recycling in his own time. You don’t need to keep reminding him every month!

C8H10N4O2 · 10/04/2018 10:42

Seeing a man doing the washing-up, or gawd forbid, ironing, is a MASSIVE turn off for me.

There are few things I find a bigger turn off than a fully grown adult who can't do basic household tasks. I want a partner, not a surrogate child.

Catspaws · 10/04/2018 10:42

Totally bullshit excuse. His eyes and hands work the same way yours do!

What he means is 'I see it but it isn't important to me'. Fine - but it's important to you, and that should motivate him to do his share.

MumofBoysx2 · 10/04/2018 10:46

My husband is brilliant about doing all these things, even the ironing! So I supposed I am biased and would say it is more the individual rather than the gender. And whether the lack of clean cutlery or pile of recycling bothers them. Makes me realise how lucky I am though!

Lweji · 10/04/2018 10:48

He's talking bollocks.

lalalalee · 10/04/2018 10:49

'seeing a man doing the washing-up, or gawd forbid, ironing, is a MASSIVE turn off for me'

Presumably you're happy for engineers - who are predominately men - to design and build household appliances?

KellyanneConway · 10/04/2018 10:50

My DH notices these things and acts on them. He just gets on with it, no big deal or score keeping or moaning and this manifestation of being good at life is one of the reasons I fell for him.

The other two men I have lived with during the course of my life did not/ chose not to. Couldn't understand simple things; that washed clothes didn't dry themselves and dishes don't put themselves in the dishwasher. Being a lazy fucker around the house is a massive turn off and one quickly loses respect for such men.

ghostyslovesheets · 10/04/2018 10:51

unless single males the world over are living like Mr Trebus it's a BS excuse

Braeburns · 10/04/2018 10:51

My DH is brilliant with some things (he does 95% of the cooking) but I am still seething this evening as I got home late last night having been away for work and he made a comment about how he'd 'taken care of the washing'... this evening I found the washing machine full of dirty washing (which I had to separate out as he'd put all the teatowels in with clothes) and a full washing basket of clean dry washing in the spare room. Apparently taking care of the washing means moving it out of sight - not washing it, folding it or putting it away!

timeisnotaline · 10/04/2018 10:52

Asking them nicely to do small daily tasks is basically begging them daily to please meet minimum standards as a life partner. I would never do this. My dh worked out how to do stuff after I stopped doing them - shopping list? I don’t know darling. You don’t usually plan a meal and provide me with a shopping list when I go do you? Packing for holiday? I don’t know darling, what do you think ds should wear for a week? Ds didn’t have a change of clothes for nursery when you took him and came home in someone else’s darling - that’s pretty crap parenting tbh, do you really think it’s the best you can do?
I refuse to be married to a man child. When you stop providing a safety net, let them fail and hold them responsible for their failures, they either step up or you realise they aren’t worth it.

KatharinaRosalie · 10/04/2018 10:54

I don't want, or like, him doing my housework

I would not want DH doing MY housework either. As we live together, it's OUR housework though.

KatharinaRosalie · 10/04/2018 10:56

He does not notice because he considers all those tasks your job. So he does not have to concern himself with noticing. It really is as simple as that.

Jux · 10/04/2018 11:50

What a lovely life he lives. He doesn't notice things which need sorting because he doesn't need to. Some men have been socialised that way but this should be becoming increasingly rare as generations of men and women become less accepting of male laziness. He's an old man in his outlook!

You could get a big box and put all the crap that he's not dealing with in it.
You could suggest he becomes a responsible adult.
You could tell him to employ a skivvy to do his jobs.
You could find someone else to share your life with you is more enlightened.

There are many ways of dealing with this. Perhaps start by refusing to accept that you 'nag'. That's a very tired old defensive lie that some men trot out because they don't have the brains to think of a better excuse for pissing about.

As for you asking him 'nicely' .... words fail me. He's 2 years old is he?

Stop doing things for him, and wait and see what happens.

BrendasUmbrella · 10/04/2018 13:56

Seeing a man doing the washing-up, or gawd forbid, ironing, is a MASSIVE turn off for me

If I were you I'd examine why. Personally I'd call it internalized misogyny, but I don't know you so I may be wrong. If you have boundless energy to work, take care of the kids, and take on the full domestic load and genuinely enjoy it, good for you.

I was left to get on with everything alone and it broke our relationship. He'd skip in from work and ask what time dinner was, then just call out to me from in front of the TV while I organized the kids. And then complain that I never wanted sex. I was too tired. So yes, give me a mature "metrosexual" any day!

BrendasUmbrella · 10/04/2018 13:59

Wait for him to "ask you nicely" before you get dinner started...

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