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78 pensioner arrested for fatally stabbing burglar in his own home

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SShaming · 04/04/2018 12:20

2 burglars break into a 78 year old man’s home armed with screwdriver.

Forces owner into the kitchen whilst one of them goes upstairs.

A fight ensues, leaving pensioner with injuries to his arm and burglary is fatally stabbed. Perhaps with his own screwdriver although this is TBC.

Police arrest pensioner.

On what planet is this right?

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SilverySurfer · 04/04/2018 13:53

Of course the police need to investigate - I hope it will be speedy and he is released with no charges. Although I am vehemently against the death penalty quite frankly as far as the burglar who died is concerned - good riddance to bad rubbish.

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 04/04/2018 13:54

Even if the burglar had lost his life in the world's strongest man house, it would still be self-inflicted.

I can't even comprehend how anyone would pretend it's wrong to shoot a burglar in the back when you are put in such a horrendous situation.

TerranceandPhilip · 04/04/2018 13:55

Police don’t even bother attending the premises

Any evidence of this?

DGRossetti · 04/04/2018 13:56

I can't even comprehend how anyone would pretend it's wrong to shoot a burglar in the back when you are put in such a horrendous situation.

Even if he is fleeing for his life ?

Nicknacky · 04/04/2018 13:56

Of course it is fucking wrong to shoot people in the back unless there is a proportionate and justifiable reason for doing so.

SnowJokeAnymore · 04/04/2018 13:56

Maybe they'd come to read the meter.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 04/04/2018 13:58

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33676308

Speakingmymind · 04/04/2018 14:01

As far as I am concerned, if you break into someone's house to steal , murder or rape; if you are injured or die whilst there it is your own fault and no charges should ever be brought against the homeowner.

TabbyMack · 04/04/2018 14:01

God, what a stupid thread.

OP et al...you do know that murder is a crime? If you don’t have justification then killing someone is, you know, against the law.

Sorry to have to spell that out like you’re all five year olds.

When the police showed up the case would have been prima facie murder...dead body with the killer present. Obviously the killer had to be arrested Hmm

If in the course of investigation it emerges that the killing was legally justified (self defence or whatever) the man won’t be charged. If he is & it goes to court and his defence presents a legal justification, he’ll be found not guilty.

OF COURSE he was fucking arrested. It is a crime to kill someone because they are in your house.

Jeez.

Elendon · 04/04/2018 14:01

Jeremy Paxman is 67, does this make him an OAP?

This man was 74 when he retired from a high powered position.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Phillips,_Baron_Phillips_of_Worth_Matravers

frankchickens · 04/04/2018 14:02

I can't even comprehend how anyone would pretend it's wrong to shoot a burglar in the back when you are put in such a horrendous situation.

Because we have the rule of law and, thankfully, we don't live in a country where you get to act as judge jury and executioner - I am not pretending. Shooting people, even burglars, in the back is wrong.

This is what happens when you let people kill anyone they don't like the look of at will -

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scot-is-shot-dead-when-mistaken-for-prowler-1398645.html

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/04/2018 14:02

What if the burglar is a young teenager?
What if the pensioner turns out to be a former violent criminal?
What if the pensioner served 25 years in the forces and was an unarmed combat expert who attacked the burglar as he was trying to escape?

We don't know the facts so we don't know if what the pensioner did was self-defence or not. The best thing the police can do is secure the evidence and make sure he gets appropriate legal representation and that's what they have done by arresting him.

Nicknacky · 04/04/2018 14:02

Well, thankfully the law disagrees with that attitude.

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 04/04/2018 14:02

Of course it is fucking wrong to shoot people in the back unless there is a proportionate and justifiable reason for doing so.

trespassing and threatening your property or your family by being there is plenty. If you don't want to risk being shoot, then don't trespass, it's not that difficult.

what is wrong is being a burglar in the first place.

Bluelady · 04/04/2018 14:03

Well yes, Paxman is definitely an OAP. Frail he ain't!

TabbyMack · 04/04/2018 14:03

Speakingmymind People like you are why we seriously need to consider whether any old person should be permitted to sit on a jury.

Jux · 04/04/2018 14:03

You're allowed to use reasonable force - that's where Tony Martin went wrong. He shot the burglar as the burglar was running away (climbing back out the window if I remember).

If the pensioner was using reasonable force (wrestled weapon from burglar, was defending himself, burglar got stabbed in fight) then he'll be OK.

I'm sure that the fact that the dead man was in the process of burglind and threatening the pensioner will be seen as mitigating circs, and the CPS may (I hope they will) decide it's not in the public interest to pursue the case.

Nicknacky · 04/04/2018 14:04

ikeep The law thankfully disagrees with you.

Valanice1989 · 04/04/2018 14:04

A 78 year old is not old. My ex will have 25 year old twins then. Does this make him old?

I think most people would agree that 78 is pretty damn old! It's only a few years short of the average life expectancy for a man in the UK.

IIlustriouslyIllogical · 04/04/2018 14:05

It's process - they have to investigate a death. Hopefully the homeowner will be found to have acted in an acceptable manner.

Plus, one piece of scum isn't going to be robbing anybody else.

Win Win....

frankchickens · 04/04/2018 14:06

TabbyMack

And people like you making ridiculous ageist comments are no better.

I am an "old person" arguing the opposite way.

Elendon · 04/04/2018 14:07

How can a 'frail' 78 year old kill a young man?

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 04/04/2018 14:08

Nicknacky I know, the law gives more right to criminal than the victims, and the law doesn't give a shit about people's life being destroyed because they are too scared to stay home after being assaulted.

I know that you are better be trained and used a so-called non-weapon to defend yourself. It's absolutely ludicrous.

Why are we trying to give excuses to people who have no respect and are threatening innocent and random people, I have no idea.

Jenasaurus · 04/04/2018 14:08

The thing is the elderly man wouldn't know they were just there to burgle, he had an elderly wife upstairs in bed and one of the intruders was on their way upstairs, leaving the other one struggling with him in the kitchen, he may have worried about the intentions of the other intruder on his wife and wanted to harm the man attacking him to get free and protect her. I don't think burglars follow a job description, their are burglars that hurt, kill and rape too, and the couple wouldn't know which they were until too late.

BlueSapp · 04/04/2018 14:08

From the news reports it sounds like self defence and that’s what I would say will be the outcome. This man will not be charged