78 pensioner arrested for fatally stabbing burglar in his own home

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2 burglars break into a 78 year old man’s home armed with screwdriver.

Forces owner into the kitchen whilst one of them goes upstairs.

A fight ensues, leaving pensioner with injuries to his arm and burglary is fatally stabbed. Perhaps with his own screwdriver although this is TBC.

Police arrest pensioner.

On what planet is this right?

I would worry about anyone who could sleep easily after killing someone -regardless of the circumstances.

Jolly good, going slightly off topic though aren't we?

Imagine the force necessary to push a screwdriver far enough into a fully clothed person to kill them.

Yes, imagine how desperate & terrified a 78 year old must be to do that to a 38 year old.

So in the USA the constitution allows you the right to bear arms. This woman was sentenced to two years in prison, and she will give birth during that time, for pointing an unloaded licensed gun at a neighbour during a dispute in which she feared her mother and child would be killed. The neighbour ran the car towards them.

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Obviously it needed to be investigated but she was imprisoned.

I hope all those defending the burglaring scum get a real life opportunity to signal their virtue when they come face-to-face with an intruder in the dead of night.

whales I will aske you the same as I have asked others, who has defended the burglars? You will not find one post defending them.

Nobody has defended the burglars. Not one single person.

Oh don’t be silly. Nobody is defending the burglar. Is there a word for reverse virtue signaling? Something that covers competitive human rights denying and vigilantism enabling?

You must be reading a different thread - 'cos this one is full of bullshit justifying the treatment of an elderly victim, who was forced to defend himself and his wife through no fault of his own, as a criminal.

I have actively participated through the thread, no one has said “poor burglar”.

Most people have said it’s entirely right there is an investigation and the arrest is part of that process.

Nobody is defending the burglar.

Yes, your sympathy for the elderly homeowner has really shone through!

No one knows yet if the house owner was in the right or wrong.

Maybe the screwdriver got turned accidentally during a struggle when the burglar was attacking.

Maybe the burglar ran as soon as being spotted but the house owner chased him and stabbed him 12 times in the back with a knife.

I don't think being burgled gives you the 'right' to murder someone with excessive force so of course it has to be investigated.

I think it goes without saying that if events are as being reported that every one sympathises with him.

Burglars who break into an elderly couple's home in the middle of the night? Fuck them, fuck their human rights, and fuck their apologists.

P.s. Self-defence against an intruder is not any form of "vigilantism" - unless one intends to be an apologist for criminals, of course.

Home - It's a long time since I did any criminal law, but I think burglary is the offence of being in the property without consent. So he was definitely a burglar

It's not. Burglary is entering as a trespasser with intent to commit an offence of theft/criminal damage/assault.

Oh Lord, just as thread had become sensible again ...

whales Apologies, I didn’t realise you are on the enquiry team and know exactly what happened. Sorry.

Yes because stating that a 78 year old doesn't seem frail if he drinks guinness was a really sensible comment.

Nicknacky

That's quite all right - I didn't know you were a defence counsel and/or PR spokeperson for burglars either!

The number of people who believe the "burglar stabbed" scenario without question is very scary.

Here's another scenario for you. When arrested Brady and Hindley tried to pin all the blame on the man who had called the police after witnessing the death of Edward Evans.
By your reasoning that pair should have been let go simply on the basis that their version of events was the correct one, rather than Police conducting the investigation that led to the uncovering of multiple murders and the convictions for those.

whales where have I defended them? I have kept my personal opinion off the thread and said time after time that the investigation has to be carried out first.

It’s the hard of thinking that are struggling with that radical concept, not me.

You sound unhinged Whales.

You know fuck all, just like the rest of us.

It's not being an 'apologist' to sensibly wait for the police investigation before jumping on a bandwagon.

Maybe the burglar ran as soon as being spotted but the house owner chased him and stabbed him 12 times in the back with a knife.

Well since it’s been widely reported that the burglar had a single stab wound to the chest I think we can safely rule that scenario out.

You must be reading a different thread - 'cos this one is full of bullshit justifying the treatment of an elderly victim,

Stop making shit up.

'Widely reported' sometimes just means one journo got told something by Margery next door and all the other papers copy and paste it.

Anyway, you get my point.

idrink There may not have been a post mortem or results not made public yet, so the injuries sustained haven’t been confirmed.

I have read many media reports about incidents I have been involved in which are inaccurate with injuries/circumstances/place.

Hell, I’ve even read quotes that I apparently made to the media!

Burglary is entering as a trespasser with intent to commit an offence of theft/criminal damage/assault.

furthermore, doesn't a trespasser only become so when their permission to be there is explicitly revoked or denied ? Hence the crime of breaking and entering, since it's not illegal to be somewhere without permission (it might be unlawful, but that's a different matter ).

Does anyone recall the story a few years about, about a really moronic idea a police force had of checking peoples doors, and where they found them unlocked (or an open window) they entered and left a postcard advising the homeowner on security ?

Ah, yes

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-35400694

bearing in mind utter scumbag Kenneth Noye got away with killing an undercover policeman he caught in the bushes outside his home, I'd say the law seems to be pretty reasonable when it comes to self defence.