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For not paying even though I 'invited '?

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Unreasonableunreasonableness · 04/04/2018 09:10

Background:
For my dds birthday last year we invited some friends to soft play at a pub. I played entry for all the kids (and some siblings that came unexpectedly too). We brought a cake and everyone had a piece as well as juice to drink, if they wanted anything else they had to buy it (tea/coffee etc). As it came to dinner time I told them we were staying for dinner and people were welcome to join us. A couple did and we then paid for their meals (they didn't seem to expect this).
I have met up with one of the mum/ child that came and stayed for the meal at the same soft play since. She'd messaged asking to meet, I said me and another friend were planning to go to soft play and have lunch there if she wanted to join. We all arrived at different times so paid our own entry (she was last, text me when outside that she was here so when she got in I looked up and waved but didn't go over) and at food time we all ordered separately. She seemed a little quiet but had said she was tired cos her lo was waking up alot. We have met up since, but not at soft play, and all seemed fine.

So, yesterday the same happened again. She called asking if I wanted to meet up over the holiday. I said we were meeting a friend at soft play today if she wanted to join but we could meet some other time if she didn't fancy it. She said she'd join but then made a joke 'I suppose you're going to treat me like last time though'. When i queried what she meant she said that she was cross last time that I didn't pay for her entry or food. I was surprised and said that we don't normally pay for each other when we go out. She said that normally if invited you'd expect the host to pay and reminded me that I had done it before for dds birthday. I said I felt that was different and that this is not an invite in the same way, if she didn't want to come then I was happy to meet some other time elsewhere but I couldn't afford to pay for her every time we meet. She put the phone down on me.
Since then she has blocked me on fb, WhatsApp etc and been in touch with the other friend, trying to change the plans so they go to a different soft play together today but without me. She's said she will pay for that woman and child as 'that's how it's done between friends '. The friend has said to her that she's not leaving me out and that she would never expect to be paid for but that she is still welcome to join us at the originally planned place, or we can meet elsewhere another time if she doesn't fancy it. She's said she will think about whether she can face it and let her know.

Was I wrong? It's not the way I've ever done it with meet ups unless it's been a special occasion. I'm a sahm and meet up with people in similar ways all the time. If I had to pay for other people every time I'd not be able to do it at all!

OP posts:
MissesBloom · 07/04/2018 15:35

She really is a complete and utter c*nt isn't she!
Please don't engage with her nonsense. Unless you see her face to face and she keeps it going, in which case I think you'll need to give her a nice cold glass of shut the hell up! She genuinely has problems.
If she's this bat shit about you it won't take long for your normal friends to become to target and she'll find herself friendless pretty soon. I'd just block her phone number now, you'll never be able to reason with crazy.
Can't believe she's keeping this going, even when she's totally wrong!

mmzz · 07/04/2018 15:44

She thinks you owe her.

I've read the thread and can't see any reason why she would think that. Was there ever a time that she might feel you borrowed some money from her / she paid your entrance into something and you forgot to repay her? That's the only reason I can think of for her to expect you to pay for her, and complain when you didn't.

If she has no reason for (perhaps mistakenly) thinking that you owe her, then she's a loon. In that case, I'd be telling everyone that she's had long enough to apologise and hasn't and you believe she's still trying to cause problems. You want nothing more to do with her. You want to continue as part of their group and you are sorry if that puts them in the middle, but you did nothing to provoke her bad behaviour to you and its gone on so long now that its clear she won't let it drop. So, you completely understand if she is still present at the same parties etc, but, for your own protection from her lies, its best if everyone knows that you will never speak to her except in front of witnesses. Henceforth, any claim she makes about you that cannot be independently verified is almost certainly a lie.

minimalpatience · 07/04/2018 15:55

She is either deranged, or lacks any shame. Either way, she is a bully and based on her behaviour so far, suspect she will continue until you stand your ground and shut her down. Do not do it on the phone or in person unless someone is with you. She will clearly lie otherwise.

Expose her for the liar she is (no need to feel guilty she has created situation) and then make clear to everyone you're prepared to be civil for the sake of the group and children, but that she has hit way below the belt and simply gone too far for you to go back to how things were.

elisenbrunnen · 07/04/2018 16:03

I do think she is a loon but -
she has seen you being 'treated' by others (and didn't know about the bank transfers afterwards, of course), and maybe she thinks that's the way it is - The Rules. (she said something about not following the Rules?) She then gets 'treated' by you for your dds birthday - and gets treated to a meal afterwards. and maybe she thinks that is The Rules. But the next time, you didn't treat her - breaking your own 'Rules' ...(in her head)
And now Party Friend is clarifying that she will not be buying anyone meals, but will be paying for the kids - and that is another 'Rule', and SoftZilla maybe thinks you need these Rules spelling out?

She sounds like she might actually be a bit - on the Spectrum? Maybe she needs Rules and Regulations? Maybe she needs it Spelling Out? Maybe she hasn;t actually had anyone tell her how 'normal' interactions are?

I'm not excusing in any way - any NT person would def be 'bonkers'. But she sounds way more than that!

icedtea · 07/04/2018 16:23

Might be an idea to send a link to this thread to your other group members so that they know the full story. CF is cunning and manipulative and takes advantage of any vagueness around events to twist things around and deceive people.

BewareOfDragons · 07/04/2018 16:24

Wow! I have just read the entire thread and I can only say that the woman is completely bonkers, entitled and vindictive. Imagine thinking you should have paid for her and her child's day out because she thought other people had paid for meet ups with you. Even if they had, that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with her.

She is not trustworthy either, as she has shown by the lies about texting you, lies after friends have corrected her impressions, etc ... you are going to have to be firm in your position with your friends as you have been him. You have always reimbursed people promptly, not that that is any of her business! How dare she!

HolyMountain · 07/04/2018 16:28

Please don't send links to the page, it's unlikely to help matters.

Thistlebelle · 07/04/2018 16:28

Sending links to people is never a good idea Ice. There are likely to be group members who object to the whole thing being hashed out on MN. Not everyone is a fan.

QuizzlyBear · 07/04/2018 16:31

Sounds like an awful cf, OP and well done to you for keeping your cool game face on in front of other people.

I've been in a similar situation with my (now) DH's brother's GF and I know just how hard it can be when someone in your immediate social circle decides to make you sound unhinged!

However you choose to deal with the mad bint going forward, here's some flowers and a hug from me Thanks

icedtea · 07/04/2018 16:33

Thistlebelle - yes that is true, I had not thought about that.

MrsLinManuelMiranda · 07/04/2018 16:34

So OP the CF has seen people treat you, so obviously you need to reciprocate by treating her- got to love her logic!

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/04/2018 16:38

I have learned so many new words over the past 24 hours on MN

Every day is a schoolday chooseauser

Unreasonableunreasonableness · 07/04/2018 16:41

Well I haven't said anything. Only so I don't drop party friend in it. Party friend has also been reading this thread and has decided to keep things as they are so thank you for your comments on that.
The only time she has paid for me is the time I mentioned I had forgotten my purse and I paypalled the amount (rounded up actually! ) while we were at the table. I do know tho that she booked her dc' s party quite late and then struggled to fill all the places she'd booked cos many of us then couldn't come. Whether she could think I owe her somehow for that?
I suppose it's possible she could be on the spectrum but this has been the first time she has shown any sign. She is good socially, flexible when it comes to meeting up and rearranging plans if needed. until now.....

OP posts:
InkyToesies · 07/04/2018 16:42

I seldom post, as I either don’t feel strongly about the nature of the post, or I don’t think I have anything useful to add to what’s already been said.

My take on this is:

Short Version
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.

Long Version
I do think OP has been treated appallingly by this woman, and her behaviour is so unusual - in an adult at least - that it would put most of us on the back foot in terms of how to respond.

What concerns me a little is the number of posters who are suggesting a mental illness or clinical behavioural issue. I guess this is because they are so aghast and perplexed by this individual’s behaviour.

I’m not a medic, however I have a lot of experience as a patient! I’ve received medical help for severe depression for around 30 years. It has, on occasion, altered my thought processes so radically that with hindsight I’ve thought, “God, how could I have thought like that?”, or “God, what was I doing?”.

Happily, I’ve learned how to mange the depression with medication, CBT and so on, and have been pootling along nicely for decades. However at the beginning, when I was suicidal, I was an in-patient and then a day-patient in a psychiatric hospital and was signed off work for a year.

During that year, I met lots of fellow patients and, apart from their respective mental illnesses which ranged from severe and uncontrolled delusional psychotic episodes, to more run of the mill stuff(!) like depression, they didn’t go around systematically being unkind or horrid. Many were intelligent, witty and creative. Some I liked a lot, a few I didn’t, most I got on with. They were just ordinary people. I made some good, lifelong friends there.

However, there were a few - just a very few - people that everyone learned to be wary of. They were ostensibly okay, but underneath they were rotten / nasty, take your pick of words. I’m not talking sociopathy / narcissism or whatever - we could spot those! I mean just ordinary, bog standard horribleness. They were never happy unless they were in the middle of some upset or other. Not all of these individuals were patients! The one I remember who was a nurse was an utter pain and caused ructions amongst patients and staff alike. However it was interesting to observe that of those who were patients, they were still rotten / nasty / horrible once their clinical symptoms had been controlled. This part of their personality was completely separate from their mental illness. As Bob, a rough-diamond patient said of one, “He used to be a mad cunt, now he’s just a cunt.”

The point I’m trying to make is, please do not use mental illness to scapegoat this person’s behaviour. Even if she does have a psychiatric disorder (I’ve not read anything that suggests this), this does give her a Get Out Of Jail Free card for her behaviour and shenanigans.

I’ve come across a few individuals like this in my life since the stay in hospital. Not many, thank God, but I’ve learned to give them the Big Swerve. Call them rotten / nasty whatever... they’re bad news and are unredeemable, so don’t waste time thinking oh, I’ll just try to build bridges la la la. Doesn’t work. Just uses energy, causes anxiety and hurt and actually encourages them (see pig saying in Short Version above).

It’s up to the OP how she manages this, but I think I’d keep ignoring this person, and I’d make a point of avoiding any engagement with her at all in the future, whether directly or via friends. At the very least, I think the OP’s priority should be protecting her own mental and emotional well-being. I’m not suggesting that she jettisons all the other ladies in the friendship group, but maybe start to develop other, separate acquaintances and interests.

As for softzilla, she’ll eventually move on once all the juice has been sucked out of this scenario.

Lizzie48 · 07/04/2018 16:45

I feel so sorry for her DC, it will make it so hard for them to make friends with their mum behaving like such a loon. But it's not your problem, she's taken against you for whatever reason and I would suggest that you should all stop feeding her drama.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/04/2018 16:47

I would be tempted to pay Party Friend for my meal before you go to the pub/whatever, so that it will seem that she is owing for you and CF will think she isn't being treated equally.

Maybe she will then blow up and break into a self-pitying rant and you can just sit and look at her, open-mouthed with amazement.

Then when she leaves in a strop, go home and drink wine together and snigger bitchily.

Weezol · 07/04/2018 16:48

She's not 'on the spectrum' ffs. Is that the answer to everything now? It's pretty offensive to those who are to assume that ASD = Being A Twat.

InkyToesies · 07/04/2018 16:51

People on the autistic spectrum don’t lie.

BerylStreep · 07/04/2018 16:51

You're an evil genius Schadenfreude. You live up to your name Grin

YouTheCat · 07/04/2018 16:51

Exactly, Weezol. Most people I know who are twats most definitely aren't on the spectrum, they are just twats.

YouTheCat · 07/04/2018 16:52

And people on the autistic spectrum do lie. ffs

LapdanceShoeshine · 07/04/2018 16:52

Great post, @InkyToesies Smile

(Love your rough diamond Bob)

Dingdong1975 · 07/04/2018 16:53

Is she a foreigner? "Friendship politics" can be quite different abroad.

Weezol · 07/04/2018 16:55

AAAARRRRGHHHH!

LapdanceShoeshine · 07/04/2018 16:55

Grin @Weezol