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To think my DSS won't cope with this!

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Timetotravel · 03/04/2018 22:57

We live on the other side of the world and are planning a trip home. We want to include DSS, 10 in the trip. We need to come home for a minimum of 3-4 weeks. We've tried to take DSS home a couple of times before and on more local holidays but his mum has always stopped it. (She'll miss him too much, didn't feel our destination was child friendly - etc) Currently DSS struggles if he is away from him mum more than 2-3 nights. We are really keen to include him on this trip and he seems very enthusiastic about it. But not sure he understands that he will be away from mum for 1 month and if he misses her, he won't be able to go back until the holiday is over. He's never been 'home' and worried that he'll find meeting extended family overwhelming. We are at the stage of booking flights, but can't really afford for him to change his mind once a $2k ticket is booked. We were planning on doing a couple of trial runs of getting him to come to us for 1-2 weeks solid to see how that goes. (Currently every weekend 2-3 nights) AIBU to think this might be a struggle .... or does anyone have any experience or helpful advice on how to prepare him for the trip of a lifetime !

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Cheby · 04/04/2018 10:58

Why can’t you go for two weeks instead? You say it’s not an option, but not why. if you really wanted to accommodate DSS you could make it a shorter trip.

TheCrystalChandelier · 04/04/2018 11:00

Juells obviously slaps are meant in the virtual sense. The fact here is that the child has two parents. And he is a child no parent has the right to put their own emotional baggage on to their child.

In a couple of years time the child will be going on school trips with his friends. If his mother is the one standing by the coach crying her eyes out he will be absolutely mortified.

And if this was the other way around and a mother was posting that she wanted to take her child away and the father was refusing and telling the child how much it was upsetting him the responses would be vastly different and would involve advice to go to court if necessary.

This OP clearly isn’t going down those lines and is genuinely concerned that the child will not cope with a month away from home on the other side of the world. And it really can’t be easy to be the parent of a child who is upset because all that child wants is to be with the other parent.

But as parents we have an obligation towards our children to bring them up to be independent and to have good relationships with everyone in their lives where possible. And for parents who are divorced this includes facilitating contact between that child and their other parent, including family holidays on that side where necessary, because the child did not ask to become the product of divorced parents.

If this child struggles with being away from home for that long and has never been away that long before then the OP is absolutely right to consider not taking him.

But as the mother has obviously agreed that he can go this should pave the way for them being able to take him for longer periods of time in the future without her need to pile on the emotional guilt.

Timetotravel · 04/04/2018 11:02

As per previous post ....... a 2 week holiday isn't an option. My family live in one country and DH another. Include jet lag, 3 days of travel and a $6k airfare bill (before you do anything) 2 weeks isn't a viable option. (Coming from someone who has been there done that) so that's 5.5 days in each country for a total cost of $10k all in. (Not taking account for any jet lag, which can easily wipe out a couple of days in an adult let alone a kid)

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Downtheroadfirstonleft · 04/04/2018 11:03

OP you sound lovely.

A month away from home is a very long time though and I think too much for a kid of that age, who is a bit of a homebody.

DonkeyOil · 04/04/2018 11:05

That's the kind of thing that parents, grandparents, aunts say all the time, it's absolutely meaningless. It's always said in a jokey way.

You all need to get a fucking grip

What, I don't know how I'll cope without you, it's always said in a jokey way, is it? Sufficiently jokey for the op to say:

he worries hugely about his mum. That's the issue, she will openly say to him 'I don't know how I'll cope without you when you go!' So he feels torn.

Yes, it's really fucking funny for a 10 year old to be made to feel like that.

ilovegin112 · 04/04/2018 11:06

Is the mum from the UK as well, as I’m wondering about the lack of support no family or friends

Timetotravel · 04/04/2018 11:08

@ilovegin112 - yes uk also. But estranged from family/friends. Hasn't been back in 11 years.

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Juells · 04/04/2018 11:09

But as the mother has obviously agreed that he can go this should pave the way for them being able to take him for longer periods of time in the future without her need to pile on the emotional guilt.

I still can't see where she's piling on emotional guilt. I have two children who are now stable, happy adults (touch wood) and I'd have struggled just like the mother here has done. It's all drama to be talking about emotional guilt, MH problems, depression, when it's simply a mother who's the primary care-giver missing her child when he's away.

She's agreed to the ex and his DP taking the child, so why is she even an issue in the discussion? The child is ten, gets homesick, children do all the time.

colditz · 04/04/2018 11:11

simply a mother who's the primary care-giver missing her child when he's away.

Parents should not make their emotions a burden for their children to bear. It's manipulative and selfish.

Juells · 04/04/2018 11:11

@donkeyoil - don't forget that you're hearing the voice of the ex's DP, and her interpretation of everything. Every new DP I've ever encountered has had a vested interest in painting the previous DP as a nutcase Grin

colditz · 04/04/2018 11:12

Ahhh yes Juells, I wondered when Lady Tremaine would join us Hmm

Juells · 04/04/2018 11:13

Christ on a bike, I never met so many self-sacrificing people in my life as are on Mumsnet. Everyone's perfect, everyone is 'the adult' and emotionally mature. What a wonderful world we all live in.

BalloonFlowers · 04/04/2018 11:15

You say he is unhappy with staying at yours for 3 nights. Who instigated that unhappiness? Does he genuinely miss his Mum, or does she message to say she misses him?

How much extra is it to buy a flexible ticket? How much (might) the price /availability increase if you book nearer the time? Indeed, can you book your and DHs tickets, and try to add him on at the last minuite if he wants to still come following some longer periods with You?

It sounds like at the moment it would be committing to too much for him to travel with you for that long, but with effort you could perhaps build up to it. I think it's a no for booking (none refundable) tickets now, but think about how the booking can be modified at a later date.

I know 7 6yr olds who fly unaccompanied minors (Dad takes her half way, so it's just the second long flight on her own, Mum meets her at the mid point airport on the way home), and I've spent 2 weeks away from my kids (DH spends over a month away from us every summer). Of course spending time with one parent is fine - if he doesn't come on holiday, he doesn't see his Dad for a month, why is no-one up in arms about that?

TheCrystalChandelier · 04/04/2018 11:16

It’s amazing isn’t it that the father is expected to travel across the world without his child but the mother cries if he’s away for any length of time and we shouldn’t judge her for that?

He is a child the responsibility of how his adult mother is going to cope without him shouldn’t be on his shoulders.

When I first split from my ex I had family telling me that I should be putting my foot down over allowing my DC to visit their grandparents with their father and how three nights away from me was too much. I didn’t.

As time has gone on my DS has struggled to be away from home but actually has struggled more in terms of being away with his dad as will happily go off on school trips etc. It would never have been right for me to start crying to add to his feelings of not wanting to go. I have certainly walked away from my ex’s house and burst into tears when out of sight/earshot, but that was my issue to deal with and not his.

Since getting divorced I have been diagnosed with a life limiting illness and I absolutely know that my DS worries about me and what will happen if I’m taken ill while he’s away. What I have had to do is to give him reassurance that he can go off and have a good time and that medics, my partner, my family will all look out for me. He should never ever be made to feel responsible for me to the extent it limit his life as well.

And let’s be a bit uncomfortably honest here. There’s a fairly good chance that I might die as a result of this illness. And if that happens and I have spent the last x years alienating my child from their other parent and making them feel that I am reliant on them, how much more are they going to struggle if I’m suddenly not there any more?

We have to bring children up to be independent beings in their own right.

There are plenty of adult children of emotionally over-invested parents on the relationships boards and the damage to those relationships now that they are adults is very obvious.

Timetotravel · 04/04/2018 11:16

@Juells - partner of 10 years, wife of 4 so not new. And no I wasn't the OW, DH and DSS's mum weren't together.

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PlumsGalore · 04/04/2018 11:17

It's hard for you OP and you seem to be trying your best to please everyone. I wouldn't take him tbh, I would perhaps wait another couple of years until he is 13.

I am guessing you live in AU or NZ and you or your DP are British and the other from some other European country. Maybe at 13 he will be ready to travel, his mum less protective and DSS more appreciative and excited by the experience and less likely to be homesick.

BalloonFlowers · 04/04/2018 11:17

I don't know seven six year olds who fly alone, I know a 7 yr old.......

Timetotravel · 04/04/2018 11:20

@BalloonFlowers / I don't know the difference in cost but will check it out. It's definitely an option. It's a mixture, sometimes he wants to go home (if he gets asked to do some chores - lol) or if mum texts.
What flights are these 7, 6 year olds taking unaccompanied - out of curiosity?

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Bananasinpyjamas11 · 04/04/2018 11:20

I wouldn’t take him either. The timetable is to suit you and not him. You should try him for a week somewhere instead near home in case it gets too much.

LynetteScavo · 04/04/2018 11:21

I wouldn't take him. I was a perfectly regular kid, and my mum often went off and left me for a week (I had a great time while she was away, I was often in holiday with other people) but a month would have been too long at that age.

Also, I'm guessing a lot of the trip will be catching up with people you know, and while they might be family to him, he doesn't really know them. I think it would end up being tough on you all.

I suppose in an ideal world his DM would be able to afford to travel to this side of the world at the same time.

Timetotravel · 04/04/2018 11:21

@BalloonFlowers / lol cross post. The flight isn't an option alone !

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orangesmartieseggs · 04/04/2018 11:21

Christ on a bike, I never met so many self-sacrificing people in my life as are on Mumsnet. Everyone's perfect, everyone is 'the adult' and emotionally mature. What a wonderful world we all live in.

Nothing to do with being self-sacrificing and "perfect".

I've been the child on the end of this - my family lived overseas and the only way I could go and meet them was to be with my mum, and not see my dad for a 3/4 weeks at a time. I am so grateful that he didn't kick off , forbid it, and say he couldn't cope without me, or I'd never have met my grandparents, cousins, aunts and uncles.

I'm sure he missed me, and I missed him, but I was with my mum and I managed just fine. Likewise, he often took me on holiday so my mum had time on her own and I managed just fine.

It's not fair to restrict your child's experiences because it would make you sad. He'll be with his dad and step-mum, it's not like he's travelling alone with a complete stranger!

BalloonFlowers · 04/04/2018 11:22

Sorry, I didn't proof read, just the one 7 year old. Taken to a big middle east hub (which is a 90 min flight from here), and then unaccompanued minors to Australia.

daisychain01 · 04/04/2018 11:23

Can you give DSS some basic info about where you are going and some things he can look forward to at your destination.

Sometimes the fear of the unknown can be taken away so he has plenty of positives. Also can you ask him if he'd like to create a travel journal, so he can catalogue things he sees and does to make it like an adventure?

TheCrystalChandelier · 04/04/2018 11:26

OP, perhaps going forward it would be an option to look at the times when he wants to go home because of being asked to do things (natural response sadly, Grin) and the times when you feel that his responses are in response to texts from his mum.

When mine were that age I used to text them or call them on facetime which was an arrangement me and their dad had and was reciprical when they were here iyswim. But as they’ve got older I leave the need for them to talk to me up to them. That way they are in control of the situation iyswim? So DC know they can call/text any time and I know that if I don’t hear from them they don’t have the need to talk to me because they’re busy doing other things.

It’s a situation which should change as children get older.

How has it come about that the mum has agreed to this trip at this sttage when she hasn’t done before?

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