To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

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Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

“Those are your tests of Anti-Semitism, Bertrand. You'll appreciate that others have other tests.

For me - and I'm not going to speak for everyone obvs- an anti-semite is:
A holocaust denier
Someone who believes the Jews control the media/the world etc.
Someone unable to even contemplate discussing anti-semitism without immediate reference to Israel.

Yes, there are many of these in the Labour party.”

OK. Happy to add those. Do they apply to Corbyn’s in your opinion? Are there really Holocaust deniers in the Labour Party?

Corbyn only favours 'open dialogue' with those who share his ideological preferences. He 'engaged' with militant Irish republicans, sure. Loyalists? Never. 'Engage' with Hamas? Absolutely. Engage with right wing Israeli groups? Nope. Engage with the Russian and Iranian regimes in the form of RT and Press TV? Definitely. Engage with Fox news? Never. Ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

The man's a fraud.

My theory is that Corbyn is secretly working for the Jewish Agency, as their Aliyah (emigration to Israel) person. He's certainly going to encourage Jews to leave the UK at this rate (this is a joke btw, before all the Momentum conspiracy nuts start rubbing their chins questioningly).

He opened dialogue with sides who were shut out or decried as the enemy. Peace never came when one side was shut out.

I worked with, lived with and campaigned for a minority group who were protected by equalities legislation.
At government level, the Tories introduced policies that discriminated against this minority.
At LA level, Labour quietly dropped initiatives that were aimed at supporting this group.
Publicly Tory ministers made very bigoted comments about them. Were there protests? msm coverage? MPs sacked? No. No. And no again.
I would get behind an equivalent of the TimesUp movement to weed out racism and discrimination in politics. We need a cross-party, cross-minority, cross-race campaign that has zero tolerance. So if Boris calls a group a racist name then he loses his position. If a minister makes a bigoted comment then he leaves. And if this group has the resources to trawl through years and years of social media posts for all party leaders and government ministers then fab. Let's weed them all out. Otherwise we are implying some racism is more acceptable than others and that's a very shaky moral basis for any campaign.

He opened dialogue with sides who were shut out or decried as the enemy. Peace never came when one side was shut out.

But not the Tories, because somehow they are worse than terrorists?
I agree we need dialogue but there is some really inconsistent arguing going on here.
Corbyn is no better or worse than any other politician and I don't see him being able to deliver in all his big ideas. What really concerns me is how some of his devoted followers will defend him at all costs.
There are a large number of voters, myself included who feel politically homeless at the moment. Not because we swallow tabloid lies and mainstream spin but because we have no faith in either mainstream party.

By not sharing a platform with Cameron he was endorsing the shitforbrains idea that voting Leave was a way of sticking it to the current government.
Seems like he doesn't like the idea of sharing a platform with obnoxious views for the greater good. Seems like he's a poseur. Anyone would think he shook hands with Adams after the Brighton Bomb as a way of pissing people off to get a reaction and to look cool. Imagine thinking that about the Chosen One.
Yes, I am old enough to remember the Brighton Bomb. Yes I hate Tories. Yes I think May getting into bed with the UVF Democratic Unionists was appalling.

Sharing a platform with Cameron would not have made a difference. It’s clear the misinformation and empty slogans of leave won the day. The pro Brexit tabloids were very effective.

The people responsible for Brexit are the Tories who promised a referendum and those that voted for Brexit. It is not the fault of those who didn’t want a referendum or those who voted against Brexit.

If you are politically homeless it’s partly due to FPTP.

“There are a large number of voters, myself included who feel politically homeless at the moment”

I am not a Corbyn supporter. But I am not politically homeless because I am a Labour supporter, and I know that I live in a parliamentary democracy, not a presidency. A fact that seems to escape some people.

You forgot to mention that he went to prep school as well, rather than refusing to go at the age of 7 so that he would be immune from attack on the subject 60 year later

No one can hold him responsible for his parents' school choices and money but he does ram his "Caxton Hall Aristocracy" credentials into every interview at every opportunity. If he brings them into the discussion their choices will be examined.

Corbyn was never part of the aggressive end of Militant in the 80s, he was always the Fotherington-Thomas end and treated as such. His inability to acknowledge faults in his fellows wasn't a problem for him back then although t would have been nice to hear him acknowledge the sexism and abuse of the left, rather than follow the militant line of "women's lot will become better as part of the greater socialist struggle". Lets not forget that at this time large sections of the Union movement were campaigning against equal pay.

It is a problem now that he has to act as leader and will need to condemn individuals and fellows rather than ideas.

Corbyn not only refused to share a platform with Cameron. He refused to share a Remain platform with Kinnock, Blair and Brown. Even when they came back and said that they could speak on the same day in different cities, he refused. His office sabotaged Labour Remain throughout and John McDonnell sent a message to Labour Leave saying, 'Keep up the good work'.

Bertrand - I think it would depend on which kind of Jew, when it comes to your list. I don't think he would be at all comfortable about his sons marrying a Jew who believed in the right of the State of Israel to exist. I know people who worked at the GLC under this brigade in the 70s and 80s. You certainly had to be the right kind of Jew to get on, one that thought that the 2 Arab-Israeli wars were started by the Israel, as a land grab. You wouldn't believe the revisionism that has gone on.

And yes. If not Holocaust deniers, there are certainly Holocaust minimisers in the LP. Have a look at some of the speeches by Jackie Walker, twice suspended, but still active and sharing platforms with Corbyn.

He opened dialogue with sides who were shut out or decried as the enemy. Peace never came when one side was shut out.

For most of his political career he was a back bench MP, ignored by his own party and the press and unknown by the general public, not Nelson Mandela or even Mo Mowlam.

It’s far fetched to believe that he was telling spies what Thatcher are for breakfast and it’s far fetched to believe he had any influence over any peace process.

I am not a Corbyn supporter. But I am not politically homeless because I am a Labour supporter, and I know that I live in a parliamentary democracy, not a presidency. A fact that seems to escape some people.

Thank you, I am aware how our political system works but I still feel politically homeless and I am damn sure that is due to Corbyn and the direction he is taking.

And Ghost I don't think shrugging our shoulders and blaming the tabloids without a fight is an acceptable position for the opposition. We will never know what sustained and cross partying campaigning would have achieved, will we? Because it didn't happened. I can't forgive Corbyn his virtual invisibility at the crucial time.

Yes yes, Corbyn acted so much worse in terms of coordinating with moderates he didn’t agree politically with during the Brexit campaign even though they were ‘united’ against Brexit than Gordon Brown did when he fought the independence vote in Scotland.

And look at the different results.

Corbyn is happier talking to extremists than moderates he doesn’t agree with.

It's not about Corbyn for me. It's about the direction Momentum's taking the party, the anti semitism and stealing women's rights. The lunatics have taken over the asylum in the Labour Party and I can't vote Labour until/unless some sanity returns.

betrand I’ve seen no evidence that Corbyn and his team have worked successfully with any of the more moderate MPs in their own party. All that pressure to continue to vote labour to support your own local MP only takes you so far when they seem not to be getting any traction with Corbyn. Look at what happened to Kezia Dugdale - another fine soft left MP who’s given up.

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You can rant on and on as much as you like@ghostofrankgrimes, but no-one is really listening

You mean you aren't listening. You don't speak for everyone, although I can see that you think you do.

Of course it's not a presidency but the head of a the party with the largest number of votes becomes PM. And he just isn't up to the job. Not because the Daily Fail has told me but because I see it in what he does and fails to do directly.
He can't cope with moderates and he can't act in the national interest (awol during Brexit - I looked for him).

Sorry, I meant largest number of MPs, not largest number of votes.

“Of course it's not a presidency but the head of a the party with the largest number of votes becomes PM. And he just isn't up to the job”

I don’t know whether he is or isn’t. But if Labour gets in and he isn’t, then the party will elect a new leader and we’ll at least have a Labour government..

He opened dialogue with a terrorist organisation who were activity killing thousands of people and had then tried to blow up the House of Parliament.

He tried to deny this but fell foul as footage and pics were shown of him doing so.

He had absolutkry nothing to do with the peace process what so ever so your facts are ridiculous.

No Bertrand

Country comes before party and if Corbyn and this present front bench chaos ever got into government the country would be in chaos in d matter of months.

If they couldn't get rid of him before, they certainly won't be able to in the unlikely event he gets to be PM.
Still not a reason to vote Labour with him in charge.

And he had absolutely nothing to do with the peace process. Nothing.
Mo Mowlem made it happen. A dead woman who isn't around to show him up for his lies.

Totally agree gussie no idea who I could vote for next election. The choice is appalling.

And to say Corbyn isn’t a presidency?? Tell that to his frightening momentum bullies.