To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

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Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

I have no reason to believe he would do any of those things Bertrand. However he turns a blind eye to anti-semitism in others and has allowed a culture that ignores anti-semitism to thrive in the Labour Party.

He has spent most of his political life turning a blind eye to the faults of his fellow travellers, and I don’t think it occurs to him that as a Party Leader his tacit endorsement matters.

Local councilor and opposition party leader

Are very different roles

The spin on Corbyn’s open dialogue is laughable

One of the stipulations of the GFA was the release of paramilitary prisoners. A lot of people were sickened by that. Price of peace.

His judgement is piss poor. And we expect better from a Labour Leader. Not my job to defend arse wipe Tories.

communicating with republicans in the 70s and 80s to open dialogue.

Yes open dialogue! So why are some Corbyn supporters so opposed to them working with or sharing a platform with Conservatives on something as crucial as Brexit?!? You can't have the argument both ways.
In truth politics is a murky world of tangled connections and skeletons in the cupboard which ever side you are on. The press over do the Corbyn smears but he certainly isn't a saint. No politician is. And he had been a politician for the vast majority of his life.

The context to this things have been explained by Corbyn and people who understand the nuances of the Middle East

And you have been shoehorning in the sell of Arms to Saudi at every opportunity, you clearly don't understand or have a nuanced view of the middle east.

If they are happy to have a councillor with that background it speaks volumes. Hypocrisy, double standards and they don’t really give a toss.

It would be the equivalent of Theresa May spending Eid with an "alternative group" of Muslims who joked about the destruction of Mecca, insulted prominent members of mainstream Muslim organisations and ridiculing aspects of Islam. If you think that wouldn't be considered offensive to most Muslims then you are deranged.

Sharing a platform over Brexit would have dragged labour into the Tories civil war. We had a referendum to appease a handful of Tory rebels not for the good of the country. Shit on your own doorstep don’t expect someone else to clean it up.

Bertrand what I've found interesting in the msm articles about this is that most say they don't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic but they think parts of the party have a problem with anti-Semitism.
It raises a question about racism in the other parties and why their leaders aren't being held to account.
There was also an interesting point in a Spectator article. The author was Jewish and felt uncomfortable at the idea this current crisis represents a hierarchy in racism and treatment of minorities because politicians and other parties have been horribly racist and not subject to this much censure. Is their racism more acceptable somehow?

Ghost. You only see bad stuff about the Tories. You refuse to see bad stuff about JC. Guess what? Some of us can see it about both of them.
We hold the leader of the Labour Party to a higher standard because he should be of a higher standard. It is the minimum you expect.
I don't give a shit about how morally and intellectually poor the Tories are. I will never vote for them.

In Brexit Britain arms sales will be very important. Going to be difficult to argue the moral high ground even as part of the peace loving democratic west.

Op, YANBU. Jeremy Corbyn is doing a fantastic job - for the Conservatives.

And if he was really against Brexit he would've gritted his teeth and shared a platform with Cameron. Just like he's been prepared to share a platform with extremist wankers.
Instead he was invisible. Spoke volumes and gave Leavers a license to rant.

Jessica You really think if Theresa May had defended a racist mural as freedom of speech, that there would not be outrage?

Those are your tests of Anti-Semitism, Bertrand. You'll appreciate that others have other tests.

For me - and I'm not going to speak for everyone obvs- an anti-semite is:
A holocaust denier
Someone who believes the Jews control the media/the world etc.
Someone unable to even contemplate discussing anti-semitism without immediate reference to Israel.

Yes, there are many of these in the Labour party.

Gussy, since the majority of the press spin the Tory “bad stuff” and character assassinate every labour leader (remember red ed?) I find it important to defend my views even if they are a “minority”. Most people get their “information” from the press. Sadly.

Shit on your own doorstep don’t expect someone else to clean it up.

Except the doorstep belongs to all of us and if we don’t clear the shit up we have to step in it.

Sharing a platform over Brexit would have dragged labour into the Tories civil war. We had a referendum to appease a handful of Tory rebels not for the good of the country. Shit on your own doorstep don’t expect someone else to clean it up.

What a load of twaddle!! This was a national vote concerning the direction of the country. I am astounded that you can't see that. Regardless of the reason we had the referendum the outcome will have far reaching effects, particularly for the youth and the poor. The very people that Corbyn claims to be representing. So basically he is saying to them I won't work in your interests today because the Tories are getting it wrong, but it's ok for me to build relationships with the IRA and Hamas???

Speaking after a meeting of the Party of European Socialists in Brussels, he said: "The Labour Party is going to be committed to campaigning to stay in the European Uniom

Maybe he felt being leader of the party he didn’t need to show that level of commitment which is a rather strange stance from a party leader

crunchy I didn't mention a hypothetical situation with May.

Merry, I voted remain. I am apparently a citizen of nowhere, an enemy of the people, a cave dweller, a traitor. I lost, I must suck it up. The winners will ensure our brave new world. Do not fear.

He's been dreadful over Brexit.

How can it be argued otherwise?

Should have added I disagree with corbyn on Brexit. Just to prove I’m not a cultist.

Why would I be happy having an ex IRA member as a local councilor Tory or Labour

I’m not but throwing that into the argument is petty when we are discussing who the leader of the opposition had this so called open dialogue with