To be devastated at the demise of the Labour Party, and to wonder how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror if they vote for Corbyn now?

[snowagain]

Just that really.

Been a Labour supporter all my life, til the last election. Because hell will freeze over before I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am literally devastated at the demise of the Labour party, that has been systematically destroyed from the inside out, by Corbyn and his cronies, and by Corbyn's pathetic behaviour. From his denial of bad behaviour from his party, to the way he shuts down anyone who challenges him. (Including reporters, and his own people ..... if they don't agree with everything he says, he sacks them.)

In the last election, for the first time ever in my life, I was unable to vote, because I am not voting for Conservatives. (Even so, if I HAD to vote by law, I would vote for Conservatives before I would vote for Labour.)

The Labour party is dying a slow and painful death, and is a laughing stock. First of all we have the standing joke that is Corbyn, with his bizarre 'extreme-left' bollocks, and refusing to answer any questions that don't suit him, .......'Mr Corbyn what about the antisemitism in in your party?' 'YES it is a nice day isn't it? Thank you, goodbye!' Fucking twit!

And then we have his ludicrous and laughable cronies... Diane 'can't count for toffee' Abbott, Monroe 'bigoted ranty' Bergdorf, and now Eddie fucking Izzard in a dress.

Even people I know who were obsessive Corbynites a year or so ago, are cringing with embarrassment now, as he turns the party into more of a laughing stock every day. And as I said in the thread title, how can anyone POSSIBLY support him and the Labour party now?

That's it really. I am literally so gutted at the demise of my party.

Until Corbyn fucks off and takes his cronies with him, Labour is dead to me. And I know a LOT of people who think the same!

R.I.P. The Labour Party. 😢😢😢

@snowagain

Emmm..... They were all New Labour achievements.

@BamALam's post is living proof that Corbyn has some people hoodwinked

ALL the stuff he promised to deliver was outlandish.

He said he would wipe out all student debt. That alone would have almost bankrupted the country, without any of the other stuff.

I cannot believe people fall for his shit.

Bam your list is interesting because all I see under Blair is the use of property markets as investments and the massive increase of pay to senior council figures.

I suppose things like NMW feel a long while back but also, I thought that was about Europe (could be wrong).

I found a lot of stuff about Blair's Labour off putting and thought good things about Corbyn until the "gender trumps biology" insanity stuff began. On that basis, I can't vote Labour, Green, WEP and I'm not sure re Lib Dems. I have a feeling it will be the Tories who step up and say "hang on a minute" and stop this.

And also no party, including the Greens, want to do anything about overpopulation or over development - so I'm in a political wilderness too.

I'm sure if Blair etc were still in they'd keep austerity cuts. It's the nature of politics at the moment.

And I'm a fence sitter btw, I don't understand all the 'labour till I die' stuff. I think it's lazy and that people should decide who to vote for based on policy.

I voted for JC, and I was naive to do so. I was hoping he would make a change for the better, that he would be a better type of politician.

I was wrong.

You are utterly deluded if you think Corbyn would actually have delivered all of the stuff you have listed

You sound like a Tory plant to me. If by the smallest chance you are a 'lifetime labour supporter' then we really don't need people with your type of attitude in our party.

We are the 4th richest country in the world of course we could achieve that stuff. If the wealthy start paying their fair share in taxes !!

Can't believe I missed that Hadley Freeman piece, thank you to the PP who pointed it out. Please read right now. I would quote a couple of lines here as the best, but the entire article is just sheer brilliance, I can't choose.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/27/jews-furious-corbyn-evasions-labour-antisemitism

Greens are a no from me. With their ‘non-men’ bollocks.

@snowagain

NEW. BLOODY. LABOUR. ACHIEVEMENTS.

bangs head off wall repeatedly

@ohforfoxsake I know what you mean. I know a few people who bitterly regret voting for him now.

Oh fuck it, go on, I shall try:

"I’m furious with people who respond to these points by huffing that criticism of Israel, by Corbyn or anyone on the left, does not make one antisemitic, even though Israel had nothing to do with any of Corbyn’s antisemitic encounters; and I’m furious with people who imply a little antisemitism is a price worth paying to achieve Corbyn’s socialist society. I’m furious with people who spent all of last week reading Russian runes into an image of Corbyn’s hat on Newsnight, and this week insist they can’t see anything antisemitic about a blatantly antisemitic mural. Most of all, I am furious with people for insisting there is nothing to see here, when we all know that if a Tory or Ukip politician had done half of the things Corbyn has done, these same people would be insisting they be put in the stocks. The hypocrisy takes the breath away."

Yeah GREEN are a joke too, and Libdems are basically just Labour. UKIP are dead now, and there is no-one else (not for me...)

Can't vote Tory, so I am not able to vote.

@gabbyleo

Fourth? We wish

www.worldsrichestcountries.com

@Gabbyleo

You.

Are.

Utterly

Deluded.

I had high hopes when Corbin became leader but he's been a disaster. He provides no opposition to the government, which should be a walk in the park given how weak they are. Momentum has such a stranglehold that it alienates more moderate left-wing voters and the current responses to the Russia situation, the anti-Semitism charges and the trans debate are doing nothing to win those voters over. The hard left might not care about that, but if the Labour party cannot get elected it condemns us to Tory rule for the foreseeable future.

I've felt like this for years snow but I think come election day you have to vote for the least bad at the time.

Agreed. Whatever anyone thinks of his policies who can deny that he has been utterly useless in opposition, when it should be a doddle with this useless and weak government? He should be walking all over them and he's not. He's not doing what he's paid to do and that is unforgivable imo.

I have left the party and really don't know who I'd vote for atm. Brexit, anti semitism and the gender self-ID stuff have left me politically homeless. My local MP is a tory and a Brexit rebel, but I doubt I could ever bring myself to vote for her, so I really don't know...

I'd rather vote Labour than vote Tory. I used to be a Tory voter (oh the shame) many years ago when I didn't know any better but I'd rather burn my ballot paper now.

If you think Corbyn could have delivered everything he promised @GabbyLeo just by 'raising the higher rate of taxes' you are deluded.

His figures simply did not add up.

Most sensible people knew that, and that is why the Tories got back in.

And what about his ridiculous stance of actually opposing Tory austerity? Surely it makes more sense for Labour to meekly imitate right-wing Tory economics, rather than proposing their own ridiculous idea of actually investing in Britain and its people in order to grow the economy.

EXACTLY @jazzy Everything that comes out of Corbyn's mouth makes him more ridiculous.

ALL the stuff he promised to deliver was outlandish.

Just like all politicians then. The only real difference in their promises is that the Tories make them to the rich and promise to screw everybody else and make themselves richer and the Socialists make them to the poor and screw everybody else. Both parties actually think screw everybody, let's make ourselves richer.

Really OP you don’t normally vote conservative......are you sure? You wouldn’t be telling porky pies there would you? This definitely isn’t a bashing Labour supporters thread at all is it op?

I agree with everything the OP has said and I'm not a Tory either. What, people can't be critical about their parties and change their minds when they see damage being done to and by it? If Labour members weren't turning against Corbyn when he's proven himself to be utterly unfit for purpose, you'd accuse them of being blind, mindless sycophants!

No @turnip. NO-one has come out with stuff as ludicrous as Corbyn! not ever

I find it ludicrous that people automatically assume that of someone doesn't vote Labour, they must be a Tory. It's such a simplistic view.

OP I do understand what you're saying and I do believe that Corbyn should go, he's not the man I believed he was.