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When a nation’s children marched, and their President ignored them - Trump cont.

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TheClaws · 29/03/2018 01:36

For me, the Parkland children being belittled and abused in so many ways is utterly heartbreaking to witness. But they have been more adult than the adults in their response. They have shown us what faith means, and bravery. POTUS? He is made much, much smaller.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3198255--In-politics-stupidity-is-not-a-handicap-We-know-this-now-Trump-thread-cont

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cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 11:30

Although he's presenting a simpler picture than, I think, exists.

PerkingFaintly · 07/04/2018 12:00

Fixed link for that Nation article:
www.thenation.com/article/just-when-you-thought-trumps-cabinet-couldnt-get-any-more-dangerous/

Roussette · 07/04/2018 12:04

As far as Trump unleashed, I read somewhere that he considers he has grown into the 'job' and now has confidence and knows what he's doing Shock

Has the past year and a bit been him not knowing what he's been doing because AFAIC it's getting worse and worse!

lionheart · 07/04/2018 12:05

Thanks Perking.

cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 12:15

Thanks, Perking. Smile

lionheart · 07/04/2018 12:46

His head must be a very strange place indeed, Roussette.

Pruitt

'“I have never seen an ethical meltdown this fast and complete,” says Keith Gaby, communications director for the Environmental Defense Fund and a frequent critic of Pruitt. Gaby had been among those who thought Pruitt came to Washington expecting to one day sit in the Oval Office. It is now more likely that he will be sitting in a coach seat, on a flight to his hometown of Tulsa. A return ticket won’t be necessary. “It’s hard to imagine campaigning with a record of grabbing perks, wasting taxpayer money, and cozying up to lobbyists,” Gaby says, even as he cautions that Pruitt will find some way to blame his current troubles on the media.'

cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 12:57

I reckon that 45 has a precedent (Tom Price.) in his own mind. OK - with Price, he had the healthcare passage issues but I doubt he'll remember those now.

cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 13:38

I guess that, at the moment, you just have to think 'What would annoy Jeff Bezos more?' Because that's what 45 is most likely to do. Grin

cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 13:47

Although I suppose a skilled WH senior aide (or Fox and Friends Wink) could make a fair case for either retention or dismissal. Smile

lionheart · 07/04/2018 15:31

Renato Mariotti

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1/ Late last night, Manafort’s attorneys filed a motion to suppress evidence obtained by the FBI from a search of his storage unit. Here is the full motion:

www.documentcloud.org/documents/4433460-Suppress.html

2/ A motion to suppress is a motion filed by a defendant to prevent the government from using evidence obtained in an unconstitutional manner. Manafort is challenging an FBI agent’s search of his storage unit without a search warrant.

3/ Generally the government needs a warrant to search private areas. One exception is when someone who appears to have authority over the area consents to the search. One problem for Manafort is a person who is on the lease consented to the search.

4/ What matters is not whether he actually had authority to consent to the search. The legal test is whether it was reasonable for the FBI to believe he had authority to consent to the search. That’s a problem for Manafort because, on its face, he seems like he had authority.

5/ Manafort’s argument that he didn’t have discovery largely turns on the man’s status as a low-level employee. Manafort also argues that since the FBI only looked inside the unit and didn’t fully search it until obtaining a warrant the next day, they knew they had no authority.

6/ That brings us to the bigger problem with Manafort’s argument. The FBI came back the next day with a search warrant. His attorneys try to spin this as a way to show that the entry into the unit was unlawful, but it suggests Mueller was careful and it undercuts his claim.

7/ Because Mueller got a search warrant for the full search, Manafort’s argument is very narrow. He’s just saying that the FBI’s initial look into the storage unit was unlawful because the consent wasn’t valid, and that the FBI relied on the look to get the warrant.

8/ Unfortunately for Manafort, there is an exception to the warrant rule called “inevitable discovery.” If the government would have found the evidence even without the unlawful search, he loses. There are a couple of reasons to think that applies here.

‏9/ First, the FBI already knew about the storage unit before conducting that look. Second, and more importantly, the man who gave them consent already told them what was inside! So all the look did was confirm that what the man said was true.

10/ If Mueller can show (by a 51 percent standard, not “beyond a reasonable doubt”) that he would have obtained the warrant without that quick look by the FBI agent, Manafort loses his motion. (That is separate from consent, which is another way that Manafort loses.)

11/ So the likelihood of success by Manafort is low, which is often the case when defendants file motions. This isn’t a bad move by his team, but it’s likely unsuccessful. They also challenge the search warrant itself, which is even more unlikely to be successful.

12/ Courts want law enforcement to obtain warrants, so if a judge reviews the evidence and signs a warrant, it usually holds up. The burden for the defendant is very high. Usually there needs to be a false statement or omission that would have caused the judge not to sign.

13/ All in all, this is a fairly typical defense motion to a small portion of the evidence against Manafort. It is very unlikely to be successful but it was worth making if he can afford the legal fees to do so, given the high stakes for him. /end

lionheart · 07/04/2018 15:34

It may depend on the last person to get to him before he tweets then.

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lionheart · 07/04/2018 15:55

www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-troops-on-the-border-mexico-presidential-election-lopez-obrador-leftist-firebrand-a8292511.html

'No one ever accused Donald Trump of strategic thinking. He prefers to watch the cable news shows and, when he is sufficiently riled up, react accordingly, usually blurting retaliatory bile on Twitter, always with an eye on his core supporters and rarely on longer-term considerations.'

cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 16:15

What did someone say about him recently? 'He never has an unexpressed thought'...... Wink

cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 16:19

Well if you get to him between the end of F&F and tweeting, lion, your chances must be pretty darned good. (Of course, having watched F&F or contributed to it would help even more.)

lionheart · 07/04/2018 16:29

'never has an unexpressed thought' Grin.

Should bode well for that interview with Mr. M.

lionheart · 07/04/2018 16:32

Fresh new hell and all that:

medium.com/@willsommer/roseanne-barr-is-tweeting-about-qanon-a-new-pizzagate-style-conspiracy-theory-234526f52e54

They are having a little march today.

When a nation’s children marched, and their President ignored them - Trump cont.
cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 16:40

"Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton have already been secretly arrested and taken to Guantanamo Bay — or will be there soon." ?

lionheart · 07/04/2018 17:04

Yes, but keep it to yourself or only tell those who you know you can trust. Easter Wink

The Deep State is, after all, as deep as the earth is flat.

cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 17:47

You have to wonder how many people still genuinely believe in Pizzagate?

cozietoesie · 07/04/2018 19:21

Interesting piece from USA Today

conspiracy theory psychology

boatyardblues · 07/04/2018 20:01

From that conspiracy theory article that Cozie just posted:

According to University of Chicago political science professors Eric Oliver and Thomas Wood, in any given year roughly half of Americans believe in at least one conspiracy theory. Their 2014 study found that 19% of Americans believed the U.S. government planned the 9/11 attacks to start a war in the Middle East, 24% believed former president Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and 25% believed Wall Street bankers conspired to cause the financial crisis that began in 2008. Those are high numbers considering there is zero evidence to support any of those theories.

And a whopping 61% said they do not believe the official conclusion of the Warren Commission that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating President John F. Kennedy, according to a 2013 Gallup poll. The number has not dropped below 50% since Gallup began polling on the subject just after the 1963 tragedy.

That’s a whole lot of crazy!

lionheart · 07/04/2018 20:32

I wonder how those figures stack up against other countries and in terms of other demographics.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/04/2018 20:35

John Kelly blew up at Trump in Oval Office meeting, threatened to quit

White House Chief of Staff John Kelly threatened to quit on March 28, according to sources familiar with the events.

What I'm hearing: Kelly blew up at Trump in an Oval Office meeting that day, and while walking back to his office muttered he was going to quit. Sources said it was not related to the David Shulkin firing that happened the same day.

A senior administration official said that calling it a threat was "probably too strong, it was more venting frustration." Kelly often says he doesn't have to be there and didn't seek the job originally.

Kelly packed up some personal belongings, though I'm told that wasn't necessarily because he was walking out.
He was fired up enough that colleagues got allies to call in to calm him down.
At one point DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen — perhaps the person in the administration he trusts most — came over to talk him off the ledge.

Kelly has verbally threatened to quit more than once over the past eight months.
www.axios.com/john-kelly-trump-oval-office-meeting-threatened-quit-f29667d3-d99f-4e23-92f6-9c48c360722b.html

lionheart · 07/04/2018 20:36

I managed to type demongraphics the first time. Smile