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How do middle-aged woman cope with their diminished value?

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PeppersTheCat · 27/03/2018 20:49

Aging burdens up all. But particularly women.

We lower in reproductive value. Aging in women is seen as worse than in men. It is expected that a man will be with a younger woman. Women are judged more on looks, which diminish over time, etc.

How do you cope with this?

I'm in a relationship with a man the same age as me, and I find it a tough pill to swallow - that my value is diminished simply by being an aging woman, yet his is largely untouched. I think the power balance will shift as my "mate value" diminishes.

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Trinity66 · 28/03/2018 15:48

*We lower in reproductive value.

I'm glad I'm lowering in reproductive value as I certainly don't want anymore kids.

Aging in women is seen as worse than in men.

Only in the media.

It is expected that a man will be with a younger woman.

Is it? I have a younger husband, as do 3 out of my closest 4 friends.

Women are judged more on looks, which diminish over time, etc.

Again, by the media. Not anyone I know in real life. It's just so shallow.

How do you cope with this?

By ignoring it because it's bollocks.*

agree with all your points. Just regarding the media though I think it's really encouraging how women in general -young and old- seem to finally be getting decent female roles in both film and TV and most especially older women

crunchymint · 28/03/2018 15:49

Yes good point Grin

And seriously I love older women. They are funny, witty and wise. I love spending time with friends, we have so much fun.

I am just not naive about how some younger women and men view older women.

Sosog00d · 28/03/2018 16:53

Thanks talkin

I've very limited funds thanks to financially incontinent ex. As soon as I start to get back on my feet, the rug gets pulled out again.
No word of a lie.

Ive done classes, I do some voluntary work, I do 10/14 parenting of 3 kids.

I get to see friends. I make them and seem to be able to keep them, too.

So, I'm baffled as to why I keep getting things so wrong. But am not giving up. No way.

Maybe I'm just getting started! Grin

TalkinPeece · 28/03/2018 16:59

Soso
Yup, I think you are indeed just getting started Grin
GO FOR IT

HarrietSmith · 28/03/2018 17:28

The thought of having 'perky' boobs appals me.

Online definition of 'perky' is cheerful and lively.

So they're meant to go round greeting people and making jokes and suggesting coffee dates?

CarrieBradshawsScrunchie · 28/03/2018 17:46

Own the Crone is hideous! Nope, won’t ever be doing that!

ScreamingValenta · 28/03/2018 17:48

I quite like 'own the crone'.

expatinscotland · 28/03/2018 18:25

I don't think I ever had 'perky' boobs, just really big ones Grin.

TempusFugitive · 28/03/2018 20:46

It's a shame that only one conclusion was ALLOWED here.

I would like to talk about how women can be proactive about invisible-proofing their lives so that the social isolation and the reduced opportunity doesn't impact on their happiness.

The OP may be a lazy shite Daily Mail McJourno for all we know, if she isn't there's still always one reading, and I would hate to read in the DM tomorrow that ''mumsnetters say Women are less valuable after xx age'', [GAVEL], presented as though it were fact and not the result of the patriarchy that we can all rail against more successfully if we aren't invalidating other women's experiences...

So, I can understand why the discussion was just shut down, but it was a missed opportunity to exchange information.

I remember feeling quite powerful at forty. I knew myself. I'd forgiven myself. I felt good, I looked good. I was at the start of a new decade with a plan. I had potential. I had optimism. I wasn't considered past-in even amongst the 25 year olds! I knew I valued myself, but I felt valued by Society. I thought that the result of ageing would be that men I fancied wouldn't fancy me back. BUT it is SO much more than that. You're edged out in the workplace. Your own family stop wondering if you'll ever meet somebody. People would be surprised if you met somebody.

Fast forwarding from 40 to about 50 and there is a palpably diminished appetite to interivew me, hire me, invest in me, date me, commit to me, invite me, include me, TALK to me, or just even to let. me. finish my sentence!

Older women in secure relationships are immune to a large part of what I describe because married women aren't pitied, socially isolated, nor are they at the highest risk of economic hardship.

Women who are still married in their 50s do not honestly know for certain that NONE of their self worth comes from being one half of a strong couple. Strong together as a couple yes but stronger as a unit in society. Being half of a unit is understood. Respected. Supported. Valued. So, again, I dare to suggest that married women don't fully understand. Or at least, they don't experience the worst of the devaluation.

I am perfectly capable of noticing that it is different for older single women without internalising those observations in to self-doubt. I believe there is more useful advice to exchange than ''value yourself''.

I enjoy mixed company but I'm accepting a future with very few men in it and financially I plan to reduce as much as possible the need for any for approval from any person of authority who is likely to be a man.

I have no expectation that this female-led future will be any less happy than when I was young, pretty and visible.

I'm still gorgeous but I'm 47, it's more the 'pleasant appearance' category now. People will smile at a pleasant face still. But in a decade I will miss this phase!

If anybody's reading this but is too afraid to admit that they are dealing with this adjustment for fear that they'll be slapped down with the same trite ol' lecture to love themselves, Loudes Viado phd has a good series of podcasts on you tube. I also read 'if women rose rooted' by sharon blackie a good read for women needing ......more and wanting to connect with something meaningful as they age. As well as ''how to be free'' (of the expectations and expenses of captialist society. I feel 'free-er' after reading the book).

There's so much more I could write about the things that have helped me and if there's ever a thread where this subject can be discussed more honestly and supportively then I look forward to the exchange that this thread could have been.

To anybody whose armour is so robust that there's not a single chink in it as you age, namaste

UnRavellingFast · 28/03/2018 21:07

Of course women suffer doubts and changes as they age. of course we are less likely to get an interview which is why I thought fuck the system which is dishonest with me and got dishonest with it by knocking ten years off the date of each job on my cv. Strangely enough I suddenly started getting interviews again. But is my response to that to bewail my lot as a woman of a certain age and let them win? No fucking way. Ihave a great job and make the best of life. That's my response.

The reason why there wasn't more debate on this thread is that the title of this thread was demeaning and sexist and bafflingly stupid so it got the robust response it deserved. That debate you mention @tempusfugitive is indeed a valid one but not in response to this title which is just damaging to women's profiles if anyone took it seriously. Mate value diminishing - is that really something we wish to give credence to by seriously debating it?

Sosog00d · 28/03/2018 21:12

Great post tempus

Bratsandtwats · 28/03/2018 21:14

I don't think my value is diminished as a middle aged woman. I feel more confident and sure of myself, and my value, than i ever have.

This. With knobs on.

Grumpyoldblonde · 28/03/2018 21:17

I think this has been a very honest and healthy debate and there are less chinks in my armour at 50 than at 25.

I'm single after a long miserable relationship and happy to be so.

Everybody is different of course, but I don't think older men find the employment situation easier.

The menopause so far has been kind to me, I accept my lines and cover my greys
But people do appear to seek out my company, younger and older people.

There are challenges at every age but I'm enjoying this stage.

Others will feel differently, but the above and previous comments are my truth.

sometimesmisssunshine · 28/03/2018 21:18

I'm not middle aged yet so I don't know how it will feel but I never even considered that my value will have diminished by then...if anything I would have thought it would increase because I'll be more experienced in life and work etc plus I'm hoping there will be new opportunities open to me if I have more money by then and kids have grown up a bit so more freedom...

Kenny33 · 28/03/2018 21:19

@ blue lady

Ha! Yep, I’ve seen some of the men that try and chat up my gorgeous, accomplished, single 49 year old sister. Not surprised their wives kicked them out, my sis wouldn’t even go for a coffee with them, never mind let them move in. It isn’t just their looks it’s their attitude - they seem to be after a babysitter rather than a partner.

RaindropsAndSparkles · 28/03/2018 21:20

Hmm. I got a masters at 47 Tempus. A directorship at 58. Have a call at least once a fortnight from head hunters.

I am sure it isn't because I'm married. DC grown up. House paid for. My only regret is that i didn't have the disposable income I have now in my late 20s.

This thread has tempted me to buy a sports car and encourage the greys and silvers. I think I would get a thrill from parking a porsche and having a snigger at the young blood's jaw drop as a middle aged lady eases herself out.

Troels · 28/03/2018 21:24

We lower in reproductive value I say thank god that ship has sailed, one less thing to worry about.
I'm in my 50's my value has not deminished. My work values me as does my Dh of 33 years. My boobs and butt are still naturally perky so Ha!
Exercise and Yoga do lots of good for your body and keep you feeling fit and flexible. Theres life in old bird yet! I too feel this is dailyfail looking for something to write about, so fuck off you cunts. (I aslo swear like a trooper nowdays)

Mercison · 28/03/2018 21:29

Troels!

I loved him

Mrsramsayscat · 28/03/2018 21:38

I don't worry about it at all. It was once widely quoted that a famous actress's mother told her that she shouldn't fear ageing and loss of beauty, as her brain would mature at the same rate, so it wouldn't bother her (Helen Mirren).

I've found that to be true. I do mind the recent health issues that I've had, though.

And anyway, I don't think its always true that men don't change in the same way. I've found they change sexually and in appearance.

Wonkydonky1 · 28/03/2018 21:43

I think it is awful that someone would think middle aged women have deminished values.

If a woman feels like this I hope they find a way to improve their self worth and find a way to be happy within themselves.

If others think that about middle aged women then shame on you, may be concentrate on improving your self instead of being cruel and judgemental.
I am approaching middle age, I'm happy and embracing my age, wisdom, experience and as far as my body is concerned, hell yes it will change not all for the best but hey ho, I have many other strengths to enjoy.

TempusFugitive · 28/03/2018 21:54

raindropsandsparkles that's great but you must realise that to be headhunted at 58+ is an unusual set of circumstances for a woman.

I am looking forward to doing a degree in philosophy so I have every intention of embracing wisdom and acceptance. I was just surprised to see a bunch of intelligent posters all leap on the thread to repeat each other basically.

You should buy a sports car if you can afford to!

NoqontroI · 28/03/2018 21:54

Crikey I'm middle aged and I feel my value has increased. I know more, I'm much more confident and I like the way I look. I think older women look beautiful, their life and experience shows and it's a massive part of who they are. Its a shame that people place so much value on youthful looks as if that's the only thing that's important. It really isn't important at all. Value comes from who someone is, not what they look like. I'd never want to go back to the younger me with people valuing my worth by the way I look and men leering at my tits. No way. I love the inner peace I have that has come with age, wrinkles and all.

TempusFugitive · 28/03/2018 21:59

Thank you sosogood Wine

Inthedeepdarkwinter · 28/03/2018 22:33

TempusFugitive I think unravelling has it for me, if a different question had been asked, then different answers would have ensued. By asking about devalued 'mate status', it's fairly inflammatory and also gets at the idea the reproduction/being in a relationship is the primary determinant of a woman's worth.

If they'd asked 'what are the downsides to ageing?' it would have been a bit different. There have been numerous threads over the years on financial worries, hairy chins and difficulties with adult children.

Having said that, I don't personally believe it to be 'all over' for mating, just because the experience in my family and wider circle is that at least some people do find love and a partner over 50, in fact at 60 and even 70 (my gran remarried at this age). Obviously it isn't driven by children, and I can imagine the pool of mates may be much smaller, but it's also not clogged up with timewasters and faffers in their late twenties to late thirties who can't quite seem to stop playing around and become settled down. Several of the women in my family and wider social circle have had second/third or even more relationships in their 60's and 70's, usually with men of a similar age, perhaps both divorced or both widowed. That said, all of them were pretty proactive about getting out there, joining singles clubs for their age, or dating online, and had friends doing the same. They weren't just waiting for it to happen spontaneously as correctly, they had surmised this was unlikely in their existing social circles or work.

In my line of work, almost no-one with any authority and power is less than middle-aged, so middle-aged women are the only ones likely to be in that position. There aren't nearly enough of them, though, which is again, a different conversation perhaps than having your 'mate value diminished'.

Inthedeepdarkwinter · 28/03/2018 22:41

The other thing that this thread has highlighted is that although being young and pretty is fun when it's reciprocal, it's also the peak time for being harassed, and many of us are happy not to be, frankly. Now I give harassers (who are very few in numbers) a hostile Paddington Bear stare. When I was younger I would have either smiled out of awkwardness, or felt diminished. Even going for a run attracted ridiculous comments. It's certainly nice to go about your business without being a target so much, and if you are a target, to feel you can respond.