To think that’s it’s cheeky as fuck to expect other people to fund your skin removal surgery?

[Lactofreechummy]

My friend had gastric bypass surgery last year after really struggling with her weight since childhood.

She has done amazingly well and lost over 11 stones.

Yesterday, I had a notification pop up on facebook.

My friend has set up a page where people can donate money to help fund her skin removal surgery. The target is set at £6,500.

As someone who has also lost a considerable amount of weight (5.5 stones) and also has some extra skin etc, I find it ludicrous to even think of asking for other’s to fund it. I have told my friend this and she said that she couldn’t think of any other way to raise funds quickly enough.

Anyone who buys into the 'eat less move more ' doctrine is a utter fucking idiot.

Anyone who "buys into" the laws of thermodynamics is "an utter fucking idiot".

Rightio.

I had an acquaintance who did this (set up a go fund me thing for skin removal after receiving a gastric band on the nhs).
I couldn't believe it! Obviously no one donated.
If the NHS had an endless pit of money then yeah great fund it. But when people with real medical issues are (and they really are) without beds in hallways because there aren't enough hospital beds, it really would be taking the piss to give someone surgery as they feel flabby after their

@NotASingleFuckToGive

Remember the whole slavery thing a few hundred years ago.... slaves were use A LOT on sugar plantations. People against slavery stopped using sugar.

Sugar has been around a long long time. People just controlled themselves. Had active lifestyles. Being large then was a sign of wealth. It's not anymore. It's gluttony.

I mean, it was a sign of wealth during certain points in history but isn't the bench mark for what people were always like. People knew of the health risks, and most did not eat to excess. Now, it's cheap to eat crap and we just don't think about it.

I'll qualify my statement
Anyone who buys into the doctrine of eat less move more as a permanent solution is an utter fucking idiot.
Losing weight is very very difficult past a certain point. BMI over 35? You have a 1 in 350 chance of ever having a normal BMI. Over 40? 1in 750. Over 45? 1 in 1350.
Every time you gain weight your hypothalamic 'set point' ie the weight below which your body believes it's starving to death moves to your higher weight.
Try and lose it? It'll work in the short term, but then your body fights back. Your metabolism will adjust to burn less, your heart rate will drop, your body temperature will drop. Hormones will make you incredibly hungry.

At 5 years 99% of people will have regained most of not all of their weight back, many will have overshot and have a new higher 'set point'.
Bariatric surgery helps as it reduces some of this hormonal response and is thought to reduce the 'set point'
Dieting is futile. The mocking, derogatory posts about obese people should be viewed in the same light as mocking someone with a chronic medical condition.

Wasn't this post about a woman who lost a lot of weight? Where have all the frothing fat shaming zealots come from? You've way too much time on your hands. I've not got the time to look at fat people and scorn them. I like my life so don't need to actively scorn/shame/pick on people in a sad attempt to make myself feel better

Even your style of talk sounds crazed. I'm thinking MN should really pull threads like this. Suppose there's someone reading who's struggling with wright, not feeling good about themselves? It's a bit off key to say the least

You all made your point many comments ago it's fine to just fuck off into the sunset now, honestly. Banging on about same thing for hours, get a life

BadlyParkedLandRover

I think that is quite likely. However, how did they lose the weight though?

To me, that doesn't say it's necessarily impossible to lose weight forever, it says that most people use methods that won't work long-term. And honestly, anyone with rudimentary grasps of human psychology and biology would suspect so.

I mean, how many people lose masses of weight through meal replacement shakes, for example?

OP:

She has a cheek as you say. No one should have to fund it and neither should the NHS.

ChillyNipsAreCold

A friend of mine lost loads of weight and had excess skin removed by the NHS. It's got to have been 10 years ago now though. She put all the weight back on about 18 months later. She now seems happy with herself.

If she had the excess skin removed and then put all the weight back on, I presume her poor skin had to stretch again. It must be pretty see-through now.

I've never thought about it tbh. She's not as big as she was the first time. I think the first time she was about 28 stone, she went down to a size 12. Skin removed, now she about a size 18-20 at a guess. She hasn't tried losing the weight again and she seems happy enough.

I want to donate. I can't find any recent crowdfunding pages for excess skin removal surgery though.

Mistress the old Mean Girls on this thread prove that the hatred of overweight ppl continues even after the weight is lost.

And ppl are still comparing loose skin from pregnancy to loose skin from a 20 stone weight loss.

In the rush to be the bitchiest on the thread they are making themselves look stupid.

Mistress i dont think threads like this should be pulled.

It gives too much oppurtunity for gaslighting later on.

The man who abused me throughout my childhood causing me to major, mental health problems and issues with binge eating was a cheeky fucker too 🤷‍♀️ Being overweight is rarely just about food, if someone has battled through their demons well enough to tackle their weight issue then I think they should be given even partial funding for skin removal surgery on the provision it's been kept off at a stable rate for at least 2 years.

ItsAllABitStrangeReally But there isn’t much funding and more life threatening situations where surgery is needed. Until we have more money I don’t see how that’s possible. I say that as someone who is overweight due to childhood sexual abuse for 10 years. I chose to eat in comfort and then to deliberately make myself fatter and unattractive. I still couldn’t justify losing the weight and wanting surgery on the NHS. I see nothing wrong with crowdfunding though. If people donate that is great of them and great for the person asking.

THE RISK OF SALLYS SPLIT SKIN POSSIBLY DEVELOPING INTO SEPSIS IS LIFE THREATENING.

HelenaDove If it gets that bad then surgery will be needed for safety reasons. If it’s not then I can’t justify it to myself. It’s not up to me to decide what needs funding etc anyway.

I dont get what the problem is?
People do stuff you wouldn't. That's life. Get over it.

On the subject of NHS funding , my son had open heart surgery at 13 and had his faulty heart valve replaced with a prosthetic one. As a result he needs to take warfarin every day for the rest of his life. This is an essential medication, but now he is over 18 he must pay for it. What I don't understand is why the NHS funds some patients, e.g.. diabetics who get free prescriptions for everything, and not other patients with long term health issues (like the b12 injection funding). I certainly find it hard to agree to skin removal ops when there's no enough money to pay for basics.

I think it is a shame that the NHS does not more routinely carry out excess skin procedures - clearly excess skin following dramatic weightloss causes all sorts of issues for the individual. In the absence of help from the NHS, I can see nothing wrong with OP's friend using crowdfunding for her procedure.

Whilst the NHS has an issue with funding, and cannot be expected to fund all procedures, unfortunately (inevitably?) it also wastes a lot of money that could be better utilised.

CookieSue222
What I don't understand is why the NHS funds some patients, e.g.. diabetics who get free prescriptions for everything, and not other patients with long term health issues (like the b12 injection funding).

I think something like 90% of people in England are entitled to free prescriptions. The system is anachronistic and needs overhauling.

Dieting is futile. The mocking, derogatory posts about obese people should be viewed in the same light as mocking someone with a chronic medical condition

That’s a reallly sad post on so many levels

I think obese bashing is vile and if you have seen me do it here please call me on it .

But notwithstanding that are many obese people who can and do change .

Comments like this sound defeatist given the scale Of what’s facing this country

As some people can move to the other side , and frankly with the amount of obese children we cannot take the view that’s it’s unfiaxble . Just because some people have deep seated issues doesn’t mean that common sense thinking should be shut down .

We don’t want people sleepwalking into type 2 diabetes , joint pain , heart disease and in some cases a less fulfilling life if it can be avoided .

stopfucking ive done it but its a struggle to keep weight off i do it but its a struggle.

It doesnt help seeing the hatred towards overweight ppl and FORMERLY overweight ppl on here.

I wouldn't donate and would have to think twice about a friendship with a person so self obsessed they believed others should pay for their wants. That amount could easily be earned with a second job etc

Dieting does work, for everyone who is overweight through overeating and no other reason. Every smug post saying "just diet and lose the weight, I did, its easy" is from someone who porked their way to that size to start with.
People who gained the weight for more complex reasons may well post saying they lost it through diet and exercise, but they'll never say its easy or mock the people for whom it hasnt worked.