To wish that going for a first trimester abortion was seen like have a tooth out?

[QueenArseClangers]

Without all the societal guilt and judgement heaped upon women?
I really wished it was viewed as a bog standard procedure, I’m sure women would feel a lot more in control of their reproductive health if it was.

I think they have a right to have a say betr - but for practical and moral reasons I agree the women has a larger or final vote. It’s not ‘no one else’s’ business though.

apples

So a man should have a view in his partners pregnancy? Yes fine

A man should have control over a woman’s pregnancy choices? No no no no no no no no no no no no no

.so you think that men have the right to tr6 to influence the woman one way or the other?

This really annoys me.

We had 6 kids so we love kids. We have grand children we love kids, generally

However if one of my kids or dils decided to abort a child I would totally snd absolutkry support her choice.

Personal choice is key.

Bodily autonomy for everyone is the key to a free fair snd sensible pragmatic empathetic and safe democracy

Sex selective abortions are not disallowed. When I had my termination aged 16 I wasn't asked for my reasons for one

Have you ever considered that the provider you went to may have just taken one look at a pregnant 16 year old who didn’t want to be pregnant and not felt the need to get you to articulate your precise reasoning?

Given the reasons the law says you have to have to obtain a abortion in England?

Being 16 is as good a reason for having an abortion as you can get.

How annoying that people consider the life of something that isn't born yet more valuable than the woman carrying it. It's all soaked in misogyny

Makes me so sad people can discard without giving any kind of a fuck (in some cases).

Personally I only give a fuck about the woman carrying the foetus and her choice and her rights.

What’s happening here? Are people still genuinely misunderstanding the OP, despite the explanatory updates from her and others? Not reading the thread at all before posting? Or being disingenuous to enable them to make a point.

You can boopsy, you can do what you like, but with respect your sadness isn't relevant to anyone but you

Of course it's the father's business too.

FFS. These type of threads make me despair to be a woman.

Whether you agree or disagree on abortion (and for whatever reasons), I'm sorry, but it is NOTHING like having a fucking tooth out at all. You are terminating LIFE.

Jesus, people read the thread 🙄

And it's nothing to do with any man, or anyone who is not the pregnant woman, it is not their body. And it, too many, is not a life either. And as I said earlier, even if it is considered 'living' - so what? Woman's life trumps foetuses life. I also despair being a woman when other women can't grasp that

*to not too

“Of course it's the father's business too”

OK. Explain in what way he should be involved?

bert
I expect you have already read this but I found it very interesting so thought I would share it with you

www.reproductivereview.org/images/uploads/Britains_abortion_law.pdf

star why exactly does a women’s autonomy over their own body make you dispair to be a women? Do you truly believe that if you didn’t want to be pregnant or give birth to a baby a man should be allowed to force you?

I think treating it like a tooth out gives men the upper hand again.

I would be willing to bet more men try and talk women into abortions than ask to be fathers. I 've had an abortion where it was absolutely right at the time and very nearly had one after being talked into it.
Most definitely not like taking a tooth out.

I think most women are OK talking about abortions now though?

It is a crass and ill-thought out comparison. If the OP didn't mean what she said in her heading then she should ask for it to be revised. Instead of hiding behind the old chestnut that nobody really understood what she meant.

Or people who don't agree with her misunderstood. Pathetic.

I totally understood what she meant

I've had several teeth pulled when i was much younger, i have several huge fillings that if they need to be redone may crack the tooth to bits. EVERY TIME i go to a dentist i cry at seeing my x-rays as they check on my dental health. i see the dentist every 6 months to prevent the inevitable. dental implants are $cary to me at this point.
anyway 15 pages later i'm sure the tread has covered this plus so much more.
personally for me i would remember an abortion every day multiple times a day regardless of how "easy" they made the process.
it is after all a tiny tiny life.

She even clarified in her opening post.

It was fairly simple to understand what she meant, well assuming you didn’t have the response she was actually talking about that leads people to go down the OMG it’s a baby road.

It’s a simple medical procedure that she feels shouldn’t have a whole heap of judgement piled on it not unlike other simple medical procedures

tooth out - 'ohh dear that tooth needs to come out ' ... dentist does it there and then

I want a termination - well lets get permission from 2 doctors - oh but not this surgery we don't do that - here's a referral ...wait 2 weeks - get permission ... now wait for an apt ...

I totally got her point

also Ivebeenaroundtheblock - don't have a termination then - problem solved

I knew a GP who was faced with a couple asking for an abortion. She did not agree straight away (as she might if following the principle that abortions are always standard, unquestioned procedures), She asked the woman to come back alone. For various reasons she had an instinct that the woman might not really want one. She was right, and the woman had the baby but left the husband.

I do understand roughly what you mean OP, no one should be judged for wanting an abortion and must be able to have an abortion if they want one. But I do think there should think there should be a pause for thought and reflection allowed for in the medical system making it possible.