Page 13 | To wish that going for a first trimester abortion was seen like have a tooth out?

QueenArseClangers · 2018-03-27T10:26:21+00:00

Without all the societal guilt and judgement heaped upon women? I really wished it was viewed as a bog standard procedure, I’m sure women would feel a lot more in control of their reproductive health if it was.

BlueSapp · 28/03/2018 17:30

YABU, Its a big decision and shouldn't be entered into lightly ever.

Addictedtohavingbabies · 28/03/2018 17:36

I don't agree at all. I support choice but I think minimising the impact of ending a pregnancy is the wrong way to go about it. Also if it is made trivial, the woman may find it mentally harder to deal with later. Having a termination is a life changing decision and that should be recognised.

Viviennemary · 28/03/2018 17:50

Why is the OP so keen to get all people to view abortion as a 'bog standard procedure'. Why is she trying to persuade other people that her view is the right one. Surely each woman has the right to decide which way she thinks about this and how she deals with it. Is this not what choice is supposed to be about. Or does it just work one way.

BertrandRussell · 28/03/2018 18:00

"Surely each woman has the right to decide which way she thinks about this and how she deals with it."

Yes of course. But as many people have said repeatedly, that individual woman you are talking about is the only person who has the right to decide what she feels about her abortion and how she deals with it. Nobody else. The procedure should be quick, safe and entirely without value judgement.

BertrandRussell · 28/03/2018 18:01

And abortion is a "bog standard procedure".

Viviennemary · 28/03/2018 18:06

But that is really not the case is it. Selective sex abortion is not permitted in the UK AFAIK. Very late term abortions aren't allowed except in special circumstances. I object to the OP wanting everyone to agree that abortion is no big deal. Many countries in the world have restricted abortion access. So it's not really universally accepted that abortion is no big deal as much as some posters in a little corner of the world called MN would like it to be so.

CreamEggEnthusiast · 28/03/2018 18:09

For many women having a termination is a difficult and painful decision and not in anyway comparable to having a tooth out. Maybe take contraception more seriously and abortion less lightly.

catbasilio · 28/03/2018 18:11

It’s obviously not the same as a tooth, but I very nearly had it done on my own - without anyone’s support- I was too embarrassed to tell even to my best friends, thankfully my boyfriend was able to support. It shouldn’t be such a stigma, but still is.

BertrandRussell · 28/03/2018 18:11

Nobody is telling women what they should or should not think about abortion- their own or anyone else’s. What some of us are saying is that there should be no externally imposed moral or ethical judgement imposed on a woman seeking a perfectly legal medical procedure.

Viviennemary · 28/03/2018 18:15

OP has clearly stated in her first post that she wished everyone would accept that abortion is a bog standard procedure akin to having a tooth out. That is what I am objecting to. Who is the OP to tell me how I should view having an abortion.

BertrandRussell · 28/03/2018 18:21

The op has said nothing about how women should feel about their abortion or anyone else’s. She is saying that there should be no externally imposed ethical or moral judgement.

Viviennemary · 28/03/2018 18:26

Of course she has. She wants people to think of abortion as having a tooth out. It is clearly stated in the title. If she didn't mean that why write it.

HellonHeels · 28/03/2018 18:28

YANBU. Should be freely available on demand, with counselling available for those who need/want it.

Though actually having a tooth out can have a long term impact on health as you can be more likely to lose other teeth as they're weakened by the gap it creates.

lynmilne65 · 28/03/2018 18:28

Killing a baby ? ok

Gilead · 28/03/2018 18:53

Maybe take contraception more seriously and abortion less lightly.
Maybe widen your view regarding other possibilities for abortion.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 28/03/2018 18:55

OP has clearly stated in her first post that she wished everyone would accept that abortion is a bog standard procedure akin to having a tooth out. That is what I am objecting to. Who is the OP to tell me how I should view having an abortion

It is a fairly minor bog standard procedure.

And you only get to hold a view about how you feel about your own abortion not anybody else’s

CherryChasingDotMuncher · 28/03/2018 18:57

Killing a baby ? ok

I'm confused. Who has killed a baby?!

CherryChasingDotMuncher · 28/03/2018 18:59

Sex selective abortions are not disallowed. When I had my termination aged 16 I wasn't asked for my reasons for one.

CherryChasingDotMuncher · 28/03/2018 19:02

I'm not sure why people are being obtuse but the OP clearly meant that she thinks people should feel the following about a tooth out-

"Don't care, none of my business, hope all goes well"

And bag people should feel the following about abortion-

"Don't care, none of my business, hope all goes well"

YourWanMajella · 28/03/2018 19:13

OP has clearly stated in her first post that she wished everyone would accept that abortion is a bog standard procedure akin to having a tooth out. That is what I am objecting to. Who is the OP to tell me how I should view having an abortion

You so totally missed the point. It's been explained like 5 times and still you get nothing?

YourWanMajella · 28/03/2018 19:18

It's an ethical issue whether you like it or not

No, AGAIN, its an ethical issue for some, and not for others.

There is no ethical dimension FOR ME regarding abortion. It's not an issue of morals.
You cannot tell me I am wrong on this, because I am speaking for myself. It doesn't matter that other people see it as ethical issue, it doesn't matter if every other single person on the planet does. For me it is not and you can't have an opinion on that.

Lizzie48 · 28/03/2018 19:44

I don't know why it worries you so much about abortion being viewed as an ethical dilemma, you have a perfectly valid ethical position as pro-choice, ie a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body. It is about ethics, because it's about the issue of when life begins. It's discussed in Ethics seminars and essays at universities up and down the country.

Why should that upset you? Just argue your own position as pro-choice.

ReversingSnail · 28/03/2018 19:44

"A baby on the the way is a life starting. You can't feeling or interpret that away"

At the end of life, when someone has zero brain function, they have died. Likewise, in early pregnancy, a foetus has no brain or nervous system. So it could be interpreted that it is not yet a person.

Obviously the foetus has the potential to develop into a person. That doesn't necessarily mean it is already a person at that early stage though.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 28/03/2018 19:53

Well I suppose this thread is a reflection of real life. There is still some women who want to guilt everyone else into thinking that every abortion (if it even has to happen) has to be a life changing event to be agonised over for years. Shame they aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is and pony up for the 18 years of a child's life.

Thankfully they are a minority and most people are becoming more enlightened now.

CherryChasingDotMuncher · 28/03/2018 19:56

I think it's important to point out two things on these kind of threads to remind everyone what women actually experience -

Some are devastated to have an abortion, and will mourn their baby, and have every right to
On the other side of the coin, some will be overjoyed to have an abortion, and it won't affect their lives one bit except in a positive way.

I just want to quash the picture some fools are building of careless 'slappers' using it as contraception (whatever the fuck that means)