To think Mumsnet is OBSESSED

[AccidentalKylie]

I used to read Mumsnet because it was a lot of clever, funny women talking about stuff I was interested in, but it's become a one issue forum. It's exhausting.

Actually, statistically, black people are more violent. On paper. But no one in their right mind would go by that to have them excluded from public areas.

Black people aren’t insisting another class give up their hard win rights in order to advance theirs.

^won

Actually, statistically, black people are more violent. On paper. But no one in their right mind would go by that to have them excluded from public areas.

On paper, yes, but there are countless socio-economic reasons for that too. There's no evidence that black people are 'inherently' more violent.
There's a fair bit of evidence to explain men's predatory / aggressive instinct. That's not to say they are always bad attributes, but the physical dominance is pretty much the root cause of all other dominance towards females (imo).

Totally agree. Every day there are two or three new threads rehashing the same points over and over. It's unbelievably tedious.

This.

I'd like to better understand a woman's point of view on some subjects, but there's not always a common view, and (as a male) expressing a male view is heresy for some.

Not always a common view? Imagine that, not all women share the same opinion. (As a female) I'm amazed by that.

@MrsJoshDun

You're sailing close to the wind there and you're full of shit.

I’m grateful to have a place to discuss the impact of self-Id and thatbit is open to abuse from predatory males.

Being a woman has taught me predatory males start their abuse from when we hit puberty. I have daughters. This matters a lot.

Think of it as less ‘anti-trans’ and more ‘pro-Women’s rights’. There’s room for both, but not at the expense of one or the other.

Actually, statistically, black people are more violent. On paper.

You mean men don't you?

On paper, white men are more violent than black women.

The whole reason that we have sex segregation in the first place is because it's widely recognised that women may need safe spaces away from men because of the way that men behave. See women's refuges for instance.

@MickHucknallspinkpancakes

The OP contains a list of several threads to start yourself off with if you want to research it.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

Sign up, get the debate off mumsnet. We don't want it here

OP is anyone holding a gun to your head forcing you to look at these threads?? And you spent quite a bit of time today in one of them IIRC. As did three or four others on this thread who are whinging about them.

If you don't like it, don't go into them! And it's funny how you are whining that these threads are changing Mumsnet and taking over....yet you have NO problem with men coming into women's spaces and taking over!! Get your priorities right!

i can completely understand where you are coming from, BUT i manage to not see the trans threads very often because i stay on AIBU. i do understand but im sure there are ways of avoiding.

@morningseleven

How am I sailing close to the wind and why am I full of shit?

Because I can promise you I’m not full of shit and I’m only repeating what I’ve seen a self identified trans person write.

ynbu what annoys me are the trans threads on aibu that have no attempt at an aibu just a news story

This "in 50 years time this will be viewed as ..." argument along with the "wrong side of history" one, is exactly why the groupthink on trans issues has taken hold.

Many people who found the idea of homosexuality and/ or lesbianism a bit icky or weird or wrong and have found that it has become totally accepted over the course of the last few decades, want to be on the right side of history this time round.

They don't actually have any respect whatsoever for gay rights; they have no analysis of what transideology actually is; they just want to make sure that they line up on the right side. So they totally miss the fact that transideology is profoundly homophobic and sexist. And they don't really believe that men are women just because they say so. When you ask them honest questions which require them to use their brains, they get huffy and tell you you're a TERF because they don't really believe what they're saying. Just like they don't really believe that gay relationships are as valid as heterosexual ones, or that women's lives are as important as those of men.

I know this: women have been on the wrong side of history for 6000 fucking years, ever since men decided they couldn't bear for us to be free and not under their control. We're still on the wrong side of history. And yet still we persist.

@JennyJames

Sorry, did you miss a lot of history classes at school?

People always moan that there are too many threads on topical issues. The morning after a General Election you'll get loads of 'It's over now, can you please stop talking about it?', or 'I'm bored of people talking about Brexit all the time'.

They're only here for the 'how often do you wash your towels threads', They can't get enough of them.

YANBU

*And yet curiously the trans agenda IS homophobic. Lesbians are told that they’re bigoted if they won’t sleep with a transwoman. Well I say told but what I really mean is violently abused and told they should be correctively raped Just google the cotton ceiling.

And gay men - well they can’t possibly be gay, they should be transwomen!

The trans agenda is profoundly homophobic. Homophobic and misogynistic.*

^
Agreed. It’s conversion therapy.
I can’t claim to face it nearly as much as lesbians and gay men but as a bisexual woman I have been told I should put up with penis (if I am having sex with a woman) or be deemed transphobic. God only knows the pressure lesbians find themselves under, especially those young women at university where this is a real hot potato topic.

www.buzzfeed.com/raquelwillis/the-transgender-dating-dilemma?utm_term=.snxrkjYk5#.ku5KWABWx

Here’s an article from someone with a penis who thinks that lesbians who don’t want to have sex with him aren’t very nice.

Haven’t RDFT but agree with the OP. Liberal live and let live type here, beginning to feel like I’ve inadvertently joined some kind of Trans-focused Britain First type organisation. It’s really ruining it for me.

Vaginas First. Mumsnet has become Vaginas First.

* The OP contains a list of several threads to start yourself off with if you want to research it.*

I've done my research thanks. I've read the threads.

I didn't make a generalizing statement, you did. So where exactly, in your opinion, are the odd facts in relation to sexual deviancy? I just wonder if you could provide some concrete examples.

I don't recall any odd facts.

I always think posters like the OP who don't want to see or participate in discussion about their rights and the rights of women in general, which are under serious threat, are either;

1.a bit dim

1. just hopelessly ignorant and needs to educate herself

3.desperate for virtue points and wants to show what a cool girl she is by being, just so above all those nasty militant bigoted feminists and totally OK with men in her spaces!

Possibly all of the above.