To think Mumsnet is OBSESSED

[AccidentalKylie]

I used to read Mumsnet because it was a lot of clever, funny women talking about stuff I was interested in, but it's become a one issue forum. It's exhausting.

Oh stop comparing the trans activists to the black rights and gay rights movements. Neither of those movements ever demanded that other people redefine themselves to suit their agenda. They never asked people to believe that they were something they were not. They never demanded that other people had to give up their rights so that they could feel 'comfortable'. They just wanted the same rights alongside everyone else.

In fact, can anyone give me another legitimate movement of recent times that had as one of its central tenets, that people have to believe something that is objectively not true?

Transwomen are not women. Its not transphobic to say that you do not subscribe to that particular belief system.

So you made another thread about the threads you don't like...... Irony 😉

OK, just zoomed in on the OP's screen shot - yep,that's the conversations in the feminism chat boards.
Seeing as this is such a big issue for women at the moment, it's not rocket science to say that there'll be a lot of threads in there on it. [hm]
Begs the question, why be on those boards in the first place if you find them boring/people obsessed?!
I don't go into the Litter Tray section and say "OMG, you're all so boring and obsessed with bloody dogs and cats."
I just don't go in there.
Unless it's a weird reverse putting it on the main board for traffic to make people sit up and take notice? In that case, thank you

In 50 years time these attitudes towards trans people will be viewed in the same way that homophobia is now.

And yet curiously the trans agenda IS homophobic. Lesbians are told that they’re bigoted if they won’t sleep with a transwoman. Well I say told but what I really mean is violently abused and told they should be correctively raped Just google the cotton ceiling.

And gay men - well they can’t possibly be gay, they should be transwomen!

The trans agenda is profoundly homophobic. Homophobic and misogynistic.

I care, I care because I think that women are being fed a load of rubbish about self ID.

Self ID has nothing to do with changing rooms or loos. Anyone who wants can use a woman's loo. No one has ever had to show their passport or birth certificate to get into a loo. That been the case for my whole lie.

The proposed laws will allow people to change their birth certs and passports. It will make paperwork easier for trans people.

You might not like the news laws and I respect that but it's totally misleading to pretend that they will have any impact of who uses which bathrooms.

I think that there are too many threads and far too much misinformation. It's almost like someone is trying to push something.

*I have permanently hidden every single feminism thread. The aggression, the closed language, the abuse expressed towards anyone who doesn't have an immediate 100% understanding or agreement with every single issue (and I'm one of them), the patronising condescension....

The feminism threads are very effective in turning people away from wanting to participate in any kind of conversation or gain a clearer understanding of the issues.*

That I can sympathise with. I'd like to better understand a woman's point of view on some subjects, but there's not always a common view, and (as a male) expressing a male view is heresy for some. There are some great feminists though, and I choose to value their insight because they practice what they preach and accept my gender without prejudice.

And why wouldn't people focus on L Madigans tweets.

Representing women and nearly every tweet is about Trans issues.

How is that person representing his constituency majority?

It is not transphobic to understand that men can't become women. It doesn't even matter why they want to enter women's spaces. There reasons don't matter at all. They aren't women. They aren't women. They have dicks. You all know when you meet a person if that person is a man or a woman. Ask your children, they know too. We all know. You know if you see a cow that it's a female. You never question it's gender idea. We don't milk male cows.

I really hate this "XXXX whom I don't like thinks this, so you'd better not think this either" thing that seems to have become the norm.

One of the things about women uniting against this existential attack on them, is that we come from all different political angles and none - we can talk and organise in a civilised fashion because we don't buy into this intolerant nonsense of purity politics which dictate that everyone you ever read, talk to, watch, reference or agree with, must toe a specific correct line on everything.

When did this authoritarian attitude to politics and issues become the norm? It's fucking awful.

Self ID has nothing to do with changing rooms or loos.

Most people who want the debate don’t maintain that it is.

Are there any other feminist issues which have been given the level of airtime as 'self ID' (which no one here seems to understand, because all the 'THERE'S A BOY IN THE GIRLS BATHROOM!!' bollocks is already happening and has been for years)

It having so much airtime recently is probably to do with the fact it's apparently trying to get snuck through as law that you can identify as a man one week and a woman the next.

It's not heresy, feminism just doesn't care about your male view. The male view is everywhere else. Feminism doesn't give a fuck about male views.

you decide which side of an argument to be on based on who else believes it?

You don't think for yourself !? How awful.

:::says can't stand trans threads so doesn't come on mn anymore:::
:::Comes on mn to post on a trans thread:::
#fail

I think this is the biggest threat to women's rights in my lifetime so far. I don't understand how anyone can be blase about it. Losing any single sex spaces, losing single sex sports, losing the right to assert boundaries against men. I don't want this for my daughters.

Does anyone care? It's such a minority issue, although those involved would rage to be told this.

All we talk about on mn is the weather dammit.

Transwomen are men. Its biology. Its not transphobic to say so. I don't see why women should have to budge up to make space in their segregated spaces. Men as a class should learn to be more tolerant of trans identifying males so that they can be themselves without insisting they can be women.

Children should be allowed to play with or dress in whatever they like without being told that doing so means they're really the opposite sex and that they need hormones and surgery to fit into society's little boxes. There is nothing wrong with a boy who likes dresses or a girl that likes machines. They're just great the way they are. Society needs to change, children shouldn't be forced into changing their bodies to fit stereotypes.

* And yet, the oddest examples are used to somehow prove that trans people are dangerous sexual deviants.*

Could you expand on the odd examples?

And yet, the oddest examples are used to somehow prove that trans people are dangerous sexual deviants.

Now who’s generalising?

It's on the wrong side of history

People who tried to shut down those who voiced concerns about the rise of the Nazi party probably thought that too.

Turns out they were wrong.

I'm really grateful for the feminist chat on mumsnet and there can't be enough trans threads as far as I'm concerned. I'm learning from trans people too who post their concerns and I'm wanting to remain open to the debate. Closing down the debate and telling women to stfu worries the shit out of me.

And yet, the oddest examples are used to somehow prove that trans people are dangerous sexual deviants.

No. We always had transexuals. We also always had another group we called "perverts" these guys got off on wanking over women's clothing. Or while wearing women's clothing. When "trans" started to include these guys under it's umbrella and not just people with dysphoria who wanted sex changes... they added sexual deviant to the word trans. Not feminists.