To think Mumsnet is OBSESSED

[AccidentalKylie]

I used to read Mumsnet because it was a lot of clever, funny women talking about stuff I was interested in, but it's become a one issue forum. It's exhausting.

MrsRams I think it's probably in active convos more because it's an issue that is the forefront of a lot of minds and a main topic of conversation for some due to the Self ID law that people are protesting about. Where you can identify as male or female depending on how you feel that day.
People quite rightly have concerns about this and it needs to be debated.
I'm on here quite a bit and don't see it much in the main boards, just the feminist topic which is understandable as it's a hot topic at the moment. (See,even the OP took a screenshot of active threads in the feminist topic board.)
Ones in AIBU though, not so much. Unless it's a handy one in the main area to say "AIBU to say I've had enough of these threads" which pokes up yet another thread which is quite self defeating really!

Haven't read beyond first page so no idea what the Dj person is getting so excited about but this issue is so important for women and girls that it has to be discussed. Everyday there is a development and everyday more people realise what is happening under their noses hence all the threads. If you don't like it, don't read them but make sure you understand the issues and don't just assume bigotry where there is none.

Well this thread got weird.

Anyway, I came on to suggest that any poster here who genuinely cannot see why this issue is so important, or is worried about being on the wrong side of history, go and give "She's beautiful when she's angry" a watch. It is on Netflix.

It is about the 1960's women's movement. And throughout it there are women on film at that time, saying they didn't understand the need for it. They liked cooking and cleaning, they didn't see the problem.

They didn't see the problem. Just as so many women (and men) today don't see the problem. But the problem today is the same problem that so many brave women stood up against nearly 60 years ago. Men believing that their feelings, rights and sexual urges are more important than women. That women should accept whatever they are given. That women should shut up and move over and accommodate men in whatever they request. And if women don't? Men will intimidate, rape and abuse them into submission.

Think that is extreme? You only have to look at the treatment of women who have spoken out on twitter to see that it is the reality today, just as it was then. Rape threats. Meetings being shut down. Women being scared to put their names to an online petition in case it puts their job at risk. Women carefully considering whether to share gender critical posts on social media for fear of being labelled transphobic or worse.

There is a problem. If you JUST DON'T CARE then click away. Get on with your life. Enjoy the privileges that other women have fought for, and are still fighting for, on your behalf. Just don't come on here and tell them to stop.

*SmufOrTerf

Perf
Are you thinking what I'm thinking*

I don’t want to say the wrong thing in case I make some lil posters Mad again 😇

And here's one last example that hasn't been mentioned yet: research. DH works with a surgeon whose R&D project was developing groundbreaking software that could diagnose serious female illness from a blood sample. During the clinical test stage it worked 100% until they had one blood sample the software kept returning stupid results for. Over and over again. After years of work and hundreds of thousands of pounds spent on this project they were looking at starting all over again.

Until the receptionist overheard their anguished debate and calmly informed them the sample was the problem, not the software. It had come from a transidentified male with a GRC who thought it fitting to be included in this women only medical research project.

Oh my god. Is that for real?

It's chilly this evening. I need my cadigan.

Good post rockshandy

Thank you Pink.

AnyFucker 😁 Not just me, then?

Do you not realise most of the trans threads are started by Mens/Trans Rights Activists as part of an organised campaign to try and discredit MN and shut gender critical women up?

They are indeed. It used to be about rape or prostitution. Now it's about the trans movement. Which they have a very real chance of really erasing women's rights with.

It's a dream come true for MRAs.

Perhaps we shouldn't rise and just ignore these goady threads then?

Sounds crackpot enough, PERF

DJnoun you need to step back from this thread. You're seeing things that aren't there. Your posts are also being deleted until MNHQ can assess things in the morning

I’d say we’ll see in a few hours, on Twitter, AnyFucker

Why are you still posting about people still posting about you?

If people just said, yes, ok you have some valid points, let's discuss this, there would be no need for all the threads. If women didn't have to raise a petition just to get their legal rights even considered, no one would be talking about it.

Yes to this.

Is someone trying to get the thread deleted?

Terftastic Yup, real story.

Incidentally this is a surgeon who does genital surgery for transidentified people and who told DH he has unfortunately had a number of patients coming back to have them reversed. Which is heartbreaking for everyone involved - they only do this after lots of therapy and only if they genuinely believe it will help and when it fails it is catastrophic. Which is why medical professionals are extremely concerned about the push to do this for under 18s.

for NightWatch, it may be a long one [sigh]