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To think Mumsnet is OBSESSED

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AccidentalKylie · 22/03/2018 20:11

I used to read Mumsnet because it was a lot of clever, funny women talking about stuff I was interested in, but it's become a one issue forum. It's exhausting.

To think Mumsnet is OBSESSED
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SmufOrTerf · 22/03/2018 23:38

AF I hope you have some febreeze

CadyHeron · 22/03/2018 23:38

Think someone's just trying to derail the thread now as it's not going the "right" way.
Anyone with a problem with it needs to step away and read something they are interested in a debate about. Kittens? Running? Parking threads?
To try and get back on track - OP, YABU. Just look at the comments on here (presuming it's a genuine question, who can tell tonight) and it'll tell you all you need to know re shouting down and not wanting a debate to be had.

ClosDesMouches · 22/03/2018 23:38

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maxthemartian · 22/03/2018 23:38

Out with the old, in with the neo!

Djnoun · 22/03/2018 23:39

STOP POSTING COMMENTS TO ME

BelindasRedPlasticHandcuffs · 22/03/2018 23:39

Out with the old, in with the neo! Grin

Iggi999 · 22/03/2018 23:39

This will probably get the thread deleted and take away all the useful (earlier) discussion and debate.
We are not transphobic. But we’ll not be silenced when our rights are threatened.

Weebo · 22/03/2018 23:40

Anyway... [counfused]

Yeah, I agree people should just start hiding whole topics.

HadronCollider · 22/03/2018 23:41

No don't useFebreeze, use that Dettol Spray, the new one that kills germs on all surfaces, that will clear out all the nooks and crannies.

BiologyMatters · 22/03/2018 23:41

@Iggi999

Its ok im sure someone will start another one!

CadyHeron · 22/03/2018 23:41

Why are you all incapable of dropping it?

Because it's an important issue to some.

Weebo · 22/03/2018 23:41

Oh bum, fat fingers.

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Mrsramsayscat · 22/03/2018 23:41

I haven't had time to RTFT. In relation to the original post, i don't have a problem at all with people choosing to be transsexual. However I do agree that there has been an odd rise in debates on this issue on what is in fact a parenting site.

You don't ever see an "active" threads list these days without at least a few. It does seem obsessive, and as thought there is a deliberate campaign to keep the issue "on the front page".

Djnoun · 22/03/2018 23:41

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CadyHeron · 22/03/2018 23:42

We are not transphobic. But we’ll not be silenced when our rights are threatened.

Absolutely.

SmufOrTerf · 22/03/2018 23:42

Iggi I bet its not here in the morning
I wish I could run a book on it

I'm also taking bets on who is -

PositivelyPERF · 22/03/2018 23:43

It does seem obsessive, and as thought there is a deliberate campaign to keep the issue "on the front page and thank fuck for that.

lovemylover · 22/03/2018 23:43

Sick of hearing about it too,iys everywhere,i just ignore it,ita a a fad now

CharlieParley · 22/03/2018 23:44

GnotherGnu: It is odd, though, that such a small proportion of MN feminists can apparently bring to mind any other feminist issue they wish to discuss. It's not as if there aren't incredibly important issues out there [...]

The trouble is of course that out there in the real world where women are trying to tackle these issues they are literally told to stop centering these issues because they are trans exclusionary.

Currently two very active campaigners against (and victims of) FGM are being attacked for:

a) not concentrating on fighting against circumcision of male babies
b) calling it female genital mutilation because that is transphobic
c) concentrating on female biology because that is transphobic
d) making out that "vulva mutilation" is a serious issue (unlike transphobia)

The amount of energy they now have to expend defending themselves from these accusations is damaging to them and to their campaign.

Or in case you missed it, pro-choice and contraceptive services in the US have had to remove the word women from their names because they were told targeting advice on abortion to women is transphobic because transwomen are women but can't have an abortion.

Or here in the UK several types of services aimed at women are no longer refering to women because this is seen as transphobic. The British Medical Association for instance has issued guidance stating that they are not to use the words pregnant mother in addressing their staff as this might offend transgender people (who are less than 1% of the population and less than 0.001% of those who are pregnant) but their hurt feelings weigh heavier than the hurt feelings of those 99.999% who are pregnant mothers.

Or the breastfeeding advice that refers to dads, partners, husbands but no longer to breastfeeding mums (it's now breastfeeding parent)

As my friend who organises NHS health campaigns recently pointed out to me we are now running the risk of not being able to aim anything at female people because naming them as women is increasingly considered transphobic. (She had to run her campaign about bladder problems past legal as it used the word "woman".)

But non-political women who know nothing of self-id will not respond to a campaign for "pregnant people" or "chestfeeding parent" or "assigned female at birth" or whatever other linguistic abortion is out there to erase the word woman for adult human females.

So discussing female erasure in the context of trans threads on self-id is pretty darn important.

And here's one last example that hasn't been mentioned yet: research. DH works with a surgeon whose R&D project was developing groundbreaking software that could diagnose serious female illness from a blood sample. During the clinical test stage it worked 100% until they had one blood sample the software kept returning stupid results for. Over and over again. After years of work and hundreds of thousands of pounds spent on this project they were looking at starting all over again.

Until the receptionist overheard their anguished debate and calmly informed them the sample was the problem, not the software. It had come from a transidentified male with a GRC who thought it fitting to be included in this women only medical research project.

Transwomen are women after all.

SmufOrTerf · 22/03/2018 23:44

Perf
Are you thinking what I'm thinking

Flomper · 22/03/2018 23:46

Do you not realise most of the trans threads are started by Mens/Trans Rights Activists as part of an organised campaign to try and discredit MN and shut gender critical women up? And each and every one of those threads is quickly turned around by women and trans people engaging in rational, clever, reasoned, debate. Dont play into their hands by being bored or trying to shut down debate too.

aRespectableBureaudeChange · 22/03/2018 23:46

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PositivelyPERF · 22/03/2018 23:46

Out with the old, in with the neo

It’s been that long since I’ve had sex, it’s more like out with the mold in with the neo 😳

HadronCollider · 22/03/2018 23:46

It does seem obsessive

Imagine a law being drafted that said men are allowed in women's changing rooms, even if young school girls are in there changing, rape centres, female hospital wards etc as long as they simply self identify as women.

Would you think this an issue that would be talked about extremely often? Even obsessively? I should hope so.

AnyFucker · 22/03/2018 23:46

Great post, charlie