To think Mumsnet is OBSESSED

[AccidentalKylie]

I used to read Mumsnet because it was a lot of clever, funny women talking about stuff I was interested in, but it's become a one issue forum. It's exhausting.

In the video, Dennis explains, “If you’re a woman who only likes women, go ahead, identify as a lesbian, but some women have penises.”

Would it be prejudiced to shout, at the top of my voice, "NO THEY FUCKING DON'T!!!!"

Just asking.

@squoosh.

You do realise my previous posts are quotes from the articles I’m linking to. I’m not actually calling lesbians transphobic for not wanting to sleep with trans women.

Fancy starting a new thread about Trans and not even putting it in the Feminist Board!

Tsk OP.

Is it possible to hide whole boards rather than just threads? If so, how?

@GruffaloPants

It's really convenient actually, because there's a Buzzfeed article posted on this very thread where you can read exactly the example you claim doesn't exist.

I was actually quite gutted for you to clarify you were just quoting what others had said MrsJoshDun. I've been waiting years to use the "are you on glue?!" line!

And another link to the petition as this thread is so fast moving!

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

*It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people."

So what? You still don't have the right to be considered as a sexual partner by people who feel disgust for you. I'm pretty sure lots of men will feel disgust for me: after all, I'm old and female, so that's disgusting in itself. Guess what: I don't have the right to tell them their disgust is rooted in ignorance, fear and disgust and they should try and get over themselves and fuck me.

Also how do you know the choice not to fuck a trans person is rooted in ignorance, fear and disgust? You cannot be sure why anyone decides they would never go to bed with a) b) or c) without asking them. Lecturing people that their boundaries are phobic (and therefore presumably invalid) sounds unbelievably rapey.

What about Harnaam Kaur?

Ah, here we go again, appropriating female experiences with their biology (Harnaam Kaur has a lot of facial hair because of PCOS) to back up the trans agenda.

Same as the appropriation of black women, intersex people etc.

OP thanks for starting this thread. We welcome the discussion.

Sorry, @MrsJoshdun for assigning that craziness to you!

The idea that some people are trying to shame lesbians into having sex with transwomen (so they can be on the right side of history ) is many shades of fucked up.

The penis has one heck of a sense of entitlement.

@Djnoun

Could it be perhaps that many men who are now huddling under the trans women umbrella, don’t suffer from gender dysphoria and wouldn’t qualify currently for a GRC are in fact just AGP?

OP misleading title

I've actually returned to feminism because of trans stuff.
Before it seemed like it didn't want me, a childfree woman, everything was about kids.

But redefining women, yup, that's a cause I need to pursue. Scottish Parliament have sneaked it through.

A LOT of women have facial hair. But it was brought up as an unacceptable characteristic for a trans woman.

I thought we were against gender stereotypes, no?

YANBU. I posted on the feminist board just before International Women's Day about an event that was happennning to highlight the appalling way women are treated in the family court when they are trying to protect their children from violent men. The first post got 2 replies I think (to be fair, posters were helpful, advising me to change thread of the title to get more people to look at it, and agreed it was an important topic. The 2nd edited post didn't get one reply. And I thought, the feminist board should probably be renamed the trans board. Women and their children are being punished everday in the family court, and yet on MN it seems to be ignored.

Depressing

That’s ok, am on my phone so can’t highlight huge chunks very well. It’s totally bonkers. Have no idea how any lesbian can condone this and accuse “TERFS” of being homophobic!

I used to feel like you OP. Then I started reading the threads on MN, which led to reading articles, which led to further reading and so on and so forth. And then I hit the wall and realised, SHIT my rights ARE under threat.
Read, OP. Inform yourself.
Or don't. Your choice.
But actually, it's your very approach that is aiding and abetting this transfer of rights and power away from women.

No need to worry about the Gender Pay Gap anymore. If men can self ID then the gap will close and the figures will be meaningless. Still progress eh?

Why is anybody shocked that feminists are resisting changes to public policy designed to define women by the abstract and oppressive concept of gender?

It is, however, deeply transphobic to decide that you never want to date any transgender person ever, and the choice to draw such a line is rooted in ignorance, fear, and disgust of trans people.

No, it's rooted in the meanings of the words homosexual and heterosexual. It might be nice if we were all bisexual (I think there was a Dr Who episode last year that suggested that the Romans were mainly bisexual), but the concept of homosexual and heterosexual is that some people do discriminate and are attracted either to people of the same sex or to people of the opposite sex.

The imagery of the “cotton ceiling” makes me shudder it’s so repulsive. I feel so angry for young women and men in having to deal with that type of mind bending abusive shit.

Where's that, then @djnoun
I can't see it, but if I've missed something then it's a shame that men are now also being pressured into sexual acts they don't want to do.

I thought we were against gender stereotypes, no?

If Alex (and his beard) were trying to 'widen the bandwidth of what it means to be a man' then I would be all over that.

But no, of course they are 'widening the bandwidth of what it means to be a woman'. Because as we know, men are whatever men say they are, and women are whatever men say they are.