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“In politics stupidity is not a handicap.” We know this now! Trump thread cont.

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TheClaws · 19/03/2018 06:34

This is a quote of Napoleon Bonaparte. Napoleon has a number of quotes when Read through the lens of Trump are eerily prescient. Napoleon wasn’t of the same political bent as Trump necessarily, and he was certainly more cerebral, but the lust for power is the same.

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3191613-Even-if-you-subpoena-us-we-wont-turn-up-on-the-Trump-threads

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Roussette · 24/03/2018 21:14

Those pictures are so so moving. Thousands of people. I hope they keep going. And in London too, lots of people marching.

Has there been a tweet from The Donald about this? Nope. Just one sending support to Macron for two people dying in France with a possible ISIS sympathiser being the guilty party. I have to say though what bravery from the Gendarme who took the place of a hostage.

lettuceWrap · 24/03/2018 21:56

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/380016-pennsylvania-school-district-supplies-classrooms-with-buckets-of-rocks

This is apparently real, although these days it’s hard to tell Shock

cozietoesie · 24/03/2018 22:12

It is sometimes hard to tell - at any level. Sad

Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 24/03/2018 23:26

How gun ownership is monitored in America. I didn't realise microfiche was still a thing.
www.gq.com/story/inside-federal-bureau-of-way-too-many-guns/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Quantumblue · 25/03/2018 03:41

Emma Gonzalez's speech. The power of silence.

OuaisMaisBon · 25/03/2018 05:33

Did you notice how Fox News covered the March for Our Lives yesterday?

Don't Leave Blank
@WTFisGoingOnDon
12h12 hours ago

There are March for Our Lives Marches on all 6 continents.

I'm just waiting for Fox News to tell us that there is credible evidence that Soros bussed Canadians to Tokyo to protest.

#MarchForOurLivesdc #marchforourlives #resist #resistance

m i t h
@ManInTheHoody
3h3 hours ago

CNN: Millions March for Our Lives

MSNBC: Millions March for Our Lives

Fox News: There is absolutely no news today so we'll be running commercials non-stop.
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Angelo Carusone
‏Verified account @GoAngelo
13h13 hours ago

Fox News finally does a segment on March For Our Lives. But...the segment focused on two things: 1) repeatedly saying that "it is not technically a march;" and, 2) fixation on how some of the signs and organizing seemed "professional."
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This is my favourite tweet from yesterday, though:

Matt Laslo (he's a Capitol based reporter, for anyone as ignorant as wot I am)
‏Verified account @MattLaslo
10h10 hours ago

Trump lives in a bubble, per White House pool report:
After he left a golf course in Florida..."motorcade traveled a different, longer route back to Mar-a-Lago,...There have been reports of gun control protests in the area, but we did not spot them on our drive."
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TheClaws · 25/03/2018 06:27

FU Fox. That’s not how it works. The children - and that’s what they are - were making a statement. That is how hearts, minds, and laws are elementally changed for the good of all people.

Fox News @FoxNews
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Poll: 62% say marches will not be effective in passing new gun laws.

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cozietoesie · 25/03/2018 06:55

I agree, sadly - at least not with this Congress. (The next one may be different.)

OuaisMaisBon · 25/03/2018 07:22

But here's positive (well, sort of)!

The Hill
‏Verified account @thehill

Voter registration skyrockets during March for Our Lives: report The Hill

Actually, that's unfortunately rather an exaggeration, as the report they were hoping to register 25,000 new voters yesterday during the march, but Reuters reported 4,000 new voters by yesterday at 8.30pm.

OuaisMaisBon · 25/03/2018 07:22

*report says, sorry.

lionheart · 25/03/2018 08:15

www.politico.com/story/2018/03des-482195/23/trump-behavior-ai

'Forget senior White House staffers, outside advisers, friends and others “close” to the president. There’s only one person who truly knows what Donald Trump is thinking at any given moment: Donald Trump.'

Roussette · 25/03/2018 08:24

Sleip I am completely Shock at your link. I find it unbelievable that there is no database on gun serial numbers. There's more info for who owns a car or a dog. And this is all because of the NRA, the gun lobby have quashed any bill to update this. The Bureau concerned are legally banned from creating a register of gun owners or gun sales. I had no idea.

No wonder those kids are marching.

lionheart · 25/03/2018 08:26

I did not know about President Harding.

www.thedailybeast.com/sex-scandals-and-america-first-warren-g-harding-was-donald-trump-10?ref=home

A critically inexperienced candidate running on the ‘America First’ platform whose White House was rocked with corruption and sex scandals.

Roussette · 25/03/2018 08:28

That politico link didn't work Lion ?

OuaisMaisBon · 25/03/2018 08:30

No more words.

“In politics stupidity is not a handicap.” We know this now! Trump thread cont.
Roussette · 25/03/2018 08:32

The parallels are fascinating, I'd never heard of Harding either.

cozietoesie · 25/03/2018 08:37

Don't get me wrong, Ouais. I'm awestruck by the marches and by the commitment and determination of all of those involved. I think they were right to hold them - I just don't think they'll have an immediate effect on legislation. After the MidTerms things could be very very different.

lionheart · 25/03/2018 08:49

Try again.

www.politico.com/story/2018/03/23/trump-behavior-aides-482195

lionheart · 25/03/2018 08:50

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/trumps-new-transgender-military-ban/556445/?utm_source=twb

'In a directive Friday, the president ordered that people with gender dysphoria will be prevented from serving in most cases. Implementation, however, is uncertain.'

Roussette · 25/03/2018 08:54

Thanks lion

lionheart · 25/03/2018 08:58

This is extraordinary.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/dickey-amendment-gun-research-terrified-the-nra-explains-how-congress-finally-got-it-right/

For more than two decades, the government has repressed research on gun violence. Now, Congress has declared that a law often credited with halting the study of gun violence does not actually block federal research. On Friday, President Trump signed a spending bill to fund the entire federal government, which includes a provision clarifying that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can, in fact, study the causes of gun violence. It is a step toward federal gun violence research, though critics call the move inconsequential without funding.

The freeze traces back to a provision in a 1996 spending bill that prevented government funds from being used to “advocate or promote gun control.” It’s known as the Dickey Amendment after its sponsor, former Rep. Jay Dickey (R-Ark), and Congress has renewed the rule annually. Dozens of Democrats—in the House and the Senate—have called to repeal the amendment after the February mass shooting in Parkland, Florida.

Republicans maintain the Dickey Amendment never forbade gun research, and only prohibited advocacy. Researchers say the chilling effect came from the message behind the amendment—and shutting off funding. In the 1996 bill, Congress took away the $2.6 million that the CDC had earmarked for studying gun violence. Between 1996 and 2012, CDC funding to research gun violence fell by 96 percent, according to the gun-control advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety.

The current spending bill does not repeal the amendment. Rather, an accompanying report states that the CDC is not barred from conducting research on the causes of gun violence. But the spending bill offers no funds for new gun violence research. “When I actually see dollars appropriated, I’ll see a reason for celebration,” Daniel Webster, a professor of American health at Johns Hopkins University, says.

In the ’90s, the National Rifle Association spearheaded the push behind the Dickey Amendment after CDC researchers published gun violence research—such as a landmark study that showed having a gun at home put its occupants at greater risk. The gun rights group says its stance, then and now, is that “tax dollars should not be used to take sides in a policy debate.” The NRA’s advocates focused on statements like those from the director of the CDC’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Dr. Mark Rosenberg. “We need to revolutionize the way we look at guns, like what we did with cigarettes,” Rosenberg said in 1994. “It used to be that smoking was a glamour symbol, cool, sexy, macho. Now it is dirty, deadly, and banned.”