to ask what *alternatives* to self ID you think would work for trans people and the rest of society?

[yetanothertranswoman]

If you are against self if, what would you like to have instead as a system that allows trans people to live their lives the best they can whilst ensuring that potential issues highlighted by self ID are minimised.

For context - I am trans. I've had HRT and surgery. It took a long time to get to surgery as the NHS appointment system takes its time. I had to attend a psychiatrist appointment even before being referred to the NHS clinics. Then I was able to get a letter from the GP to allow me to alter my 'identifiers' on my passport and driving license.

At that point I told work and was given protection under the Equality Act so I couldn't face discrimination due to being trans at work.

I got my diagnosis of transexualism after my 3rd session with the NHS psychiatrist.

I got my GRC after my surgery - it hasn't really meant much to me in real life getting this.

I am not in favour of self ID - and this thread is not about self ID. I was just wondering what people think of the current system and if they can see any alternatives - as the definition of trans varies wildly.

I stated that the Labour Party had suspended one of the speakers at the meeting for threats of violence. I can only assume that they were satisfied with the level of evidence they had for those allegations of threats of violence.

Stillscreaming.
Your posts show no concern for women at all
You brush aside concerns and attempt to hold court as the voice of reason
All I see is a disregard for women and glaring self interest

You needed a question mark, Rufus

So still... As you have randomly linked a video of Linda Bellos, it would seem you are trying to imply that she is the woman who has been suspended from the Labour Party for threatening violence to trans people?
Which is weird, as I know her and she hasn't mentioned it?

Has Linda Bellos been kicked out of the Labour Party then? I'd like some evidence of that please. And anyone except the disingenuous TRAs who complained can see that she was talking about self defence against the violence incited and perpetrated by male transactivists.

It is weird isn't it Rufus? It's almost like that video has had a large portion cut out that would have given context, perhaps along the lines of discussing those men who attacked a 60 year old woman. Of course, what Linda should have said is "oh yes, I don't mind at all if a bloke smacks me in the face"

But, still, I can't see anywhere that she was suspended for threats of violence. Or any other members. Stillscreaming can you link to the other stories?

Oooh yes i see what you mean beyond

For the want of a question mark a post was lost

I think that might be quite deep...like a metaphor or an analogy or something

Your posts show no concern for women at all
You brush aside concerns and attempt to hold court as the voice of reason
All I see is a disregard for women and glaring self interest

The assumption that a small, fringe groups of feminists are 'all women' is inaccurate. My voice, as a woman and a feminist is equal to your's, I am no more or less important or worthy of a voice than you.

I do not share your agenda and I won't have you speak for me.

As a feminist (with time on her hands) I'm disagreeing with you. I'm pointing out to other moderate feminist and women who don't identify as feminists that the adgenda of this group is less than transparent and anything but moderate.

If they were suspended for violence it would be pretty big news I think. Can you share the links? It might help you with your "pointing out"

If the proposed law changes were dropped and the status quo were maintained, would there be a lot less trans discussion?

Trans people who had not gone through transition could still legally be refused certain rights - just as is true at the moment - and there would be nothing they could do about it.

I don't think any woman on the street would think that single sex spaces is an extreme view
Not any of them I've spoken to. I was not even a feminist. This issue has brought me to feminism and the same for other women I know
The GRA is the most ridiculous piece of legislation. It put a lie into law. That there are exemptions shows that even the legislatures know it is a lie
A person cannot change sex

"If the proposed law changes were dropped and the status quo were maintained, would there be a lot less trans discussion?"

Do you think the trans community will stop wanting self id?

If the proposed law changes were dropped and the status quo were maintained, would there be a lot less trans discussion?

It depends. I think it has opened up a bit of a can of worms on both sides. The exemptions are not generally being applied as government and other advice is that it should only happen in extreme circumstances. That is not fair to women. And transactivists will be enraged if no changes are made.

they were suspended for violence it would be pretty big news I think. Can you share the links? It might help you with your "pointing out"

I thought I'd be very careful to type that it was a threat of violence, not an act of violence. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

*agree that contex is all. Here's a photo of the 60 year old you mention, with her hands around a teenage trans activist's neck, just before she was attacked. I understand that it lead to a lesser punishment for the person who attacked her.^

But it's not her that's gone to court, is it? Luckily the police understand that context is the difference between self defence and assault even if transactivists are either too stupid or too dishonest to acknowledge it.

Oh you're very clear, don't worry about that.

Stillscreaming
Do you always find a way to justify male violence?

Ooopsie, sorry, I did mean threat of violence. links?

Not commenting much on your still because a) that's nothing to do with someone being suspended for threats of violence and b) you clearly believe everything you read on Twitter.

Here's some context.

More context.

Do you think the trans community will stop wanting self id

That probably depends on which members of the trans community you speak to.

Gotta love context.