Trans male now promoting periods.

[Eliza9917]

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/period-campaign-transgender-male-model-kenny-jones-face-pink-parcel-im-on-stigma-a8257131.html

'A transgender male model has been announced as the face of a new campaign aiming to challenge the stigma around periods.'

Just why?

I really think that advertising to girls that they can stop their periods is not great.

When I was at school, girls starved themselves and wore baggy clothes to try to achieve this, and to generally try to slow or halt their body development - breasts were the main thing they were trying to hide for obvious reasons.

Now you can bind your breasts and take drugs to stop your periods. You can try to opt out of the whoel shit storm that is female puberty, and the changes in how you get treated as you start to get resognised as not a child - as becoming sexually mature.

The fact that no-one seems to be looking into these links is really worrying. Girls are the fastest growing trans cohort.

'Trans' people don't seem to have a problem earning money as their 'dead-gender' when it suits them - weird huh? And you are saying we are not allowed to discuss this?

Trans people are all individuals, not one massive group with one group mindset

Now you can bind your breasts and take drugs to stop your periods

Both of these things were possible when I was a teen in the 90s. Loads of my friends used to use their contraceptive pill to prevent their periods.

While this doesn't bother me on an individual basis I don't really see the point of it, tbh. Transmen who still have their uterus will require sanitary protection, don't people already know this?

I haven't posted much on trans threads here but I don't think it should be labelled transphobic to express doubts about any part of what has been an incredibly fast shift in the way we are living. Shutting down any debate by yelling 'hataz' is dangerous in my opinion. We need to discuss what's happening, the implications and the concerns. All of that can be done without hating individual transpeople but the personal is the political and never in my life have I seen such attempts to silence academic and medical debate.

Fuck me, that video. Very manipulative language in the form of 'respect' taken to mean 'agree with' or 'understand'. And 'it is normal for all women to want to experience this sensation', what? She's ok with pretending that the 'visual sensation' of looking down and seeing red paint on a pad comes anywhere near what it actually feels like? Do we have the privilege of being able to stop and start our periods simply by removing and reapplying the same painted pad? No wonder people think women who show that they suffer during menstruation are made out to be wimps, if this is all it's supposed to be.
My pad is not a canvas for an odourless fucking painting.

'We're all already pink down there' oh christ, guess she didn't get the Bergdorf report

I was going to agree with OP until I realised he was female to male transition, so therefore has experience of periods. I support him.

You misunderstand nersnerr

It's not just self ID I have a problem with - I've been posting on this long before that came on the radar

It's also not trans people I have a problem with - in general although seeing cunty women switched out for trans people all over the place is not good - it's sexism

I have a problem with the fact that women & girls are still an oppressed group in societies all over the world to a greater or a lesser extent, and for years feminists with the occassional male ally have been campaigning fighting advocating for, where we need them, rights, laws, services that were not in place because societies everywhere are based in a male view of the world and what they need and want.

IF we accept that a male person can be included in the group women / girl / female, then we have NO umbrella term for the most basic categorisation of our species, the first and most important thing we knew even before language, and that is, the ones that impregnant, and the ones that gestate.

IF there is no group word for these groups, then they cease to exist, at least in language and in law. While in fact, they continue to exist, and 99.9% of people in the world know very well which is which and will continue to treat them accordingly.

Thus we continue to have misogyny and sexism, but the language to identify and discuss it has been removed.

And I don't think this is an accident. Which charities and services are being trageted as being "exlusionary"? - It's all ones aimed at women and girls - FGM, period charities have come under fire. Feminists must not fret about biology but about "femme oppression". The crime stats are changing - which set are changing most? Women's of course - the men's estate losing a few makes no odds, the women's gaining a few especially violent / sex offenders completely skews the female crime stats and makes focussing on the problem of male violence harder. And so on and so on.

Make no mistake that this all impacts negatively on the group formerly known as women and now known as (?).

As one TIM said - "enjoy your erasure".

Longines at 11?

And it wasn't mainly about stopping periods, it was mainly about trying to stop bodies developing.

Periods are not visible, breasts are.

I believe that if you tell pubescent girls they can get rid of their breasts / stop them growing / stop developing as a woman, many will jump at it.

And oh look, they are.

Taking the pill (at 11???) does not stop adult men staring, leering etc.

It's the whole package they were trying to stop by not eating,

I'm amazed that people can't seem to see the equivalence between baggy clothes / not eating, and binding. They have exactly the same reasons. Many developing girls hate their breasts. They're a highly visible "signal" of "sexual maturity" (many men seem to go on tit size irrespective of age) - they're a reason many girls stop playing sports... I thought all this was well known?

Longines I don't remember binders - I was a teen in the late 80s / early 90s.

I never even heard of them until recently.

Which part of the country do you live in?

I'm sure if binders had been mainstream they would have been popular.

This person doesn't have periods. This person voluntarily stopped having periods. Lots of people do this by taking the contraceptive pill . I would have thought it would make more sense to have someone who still has periods talking about them. If it doesn't really matter whether someone has periods or not they might as well have a born male with them in the line up. That wouldn't bother me at all. Everyone needs to get to grip with the fact that women and girls have periods. It shouldn't be a taboo subject at all.

My second issue is the mixed message this gives about dead naming. Makes everything so confusing for people trying to navigate this issue sensitively and appropriately.

'I do think have periods because I'm not a woman anymore. I'm a man and do you you call me Mary because that's my dead name and literal violence. Anyway. Use Tantric tampons. I would absolutely of I had a period. Which I don't, but I'm telling you women - as a man - to use them.'

This person has no relevance to the product.

Out of interest, 2 people have said that many women stop periods by taking contraceptive pill.

I was told when I was a girl that taking them nonstop was a really bacd idea, maybe do it occasionally but not as a regular thing. Has this advice changed?

Or is this a theretical thing - that the "withdrawal bleed" is not a real period - which it isn't but I think is playing with semantics TBH.

Maybe they are on the progesterone only pill? You don't have a withdrawal bleed with that.

SnibbleAgain, I didn't take the pill continuously on the advice of my doctor. I didn't tell the GP I was doing that, I just said it was for contraception. My periods had stopped when I was younger and underweight, I wanted them gone again so I took the pill. Wasn't thinking about any side effects (if there are any?).

Snibble, people have always had the ability to bind their breasts. It was mainstream in Elizabethan times as was the fashion then. Women have been doing it in cosplay for years. You don't need a special 'trans binder' to bind your breasts - just a friend to help you out.

Purpose-made modern binders might make it easier for women to do it, but anyone who wanted to do it back in the 90s or whenever could do it if they were that desperate to.

I don't want a friend to "help me out" to bind my breasts thanks.

Cosplay was not mainstream in the late 80s / early 90s, and certainly me nor none of the girls I was at school with have heard of it.

Why this rewriting of facts? That girls from puberty have always taken the pill to stop their periods (this is not true - it was very hard to get even at 15 in my area + we were told not to take it continuously - you'd have to get it prescribed from GP for a non contraceptive reason at 11 / 12 I'd have thought),
That girls have always used breast binders - they haven't!

Of course people have always "had the ability" but it was NOT in the mainstream when I was a girl - starvation and baggy clothes were teh order of the day.

Why this rewriting of history?

Is the idea to claim that this has always happened (girls taking hormones from puberty & binding their breasts) in order to stop anyone questioning it now? When it's hormone blockers + binders? (Which sound awful having read the guidance from scouts - how transboys that bind may need to keep out of certain activities due to shortness of breath).

Why this rewriting of history?

I'm not rewriting your history, Snibble, but please don't try to rewrite mine.

You alluded to the fact that different people in the world might have had different experiences when you asked me where I lived, but then went on to tell me I'm incorrect about my own experiences and that my friends didn't use contraceptives to prevent their periods.

Is the idea to claim that this has always happened (girls taking hormones from puberty & binding their breasts) in order to stop anyone questioning it now?

I'm not trying to stop anyone questioning anything - question whatever you like. I was challenging the fact you said 'now you can bind your breasts and take drugs to stop your periods' like those things are new and invented by the trans lobby when that's not my experience and I knew about both of those things long before I'd ever heard the word 'transgender'.

I don't want a friend to "help me out" to bind my breasts thanks.

That's fine - I wasn't offering.

Re. OP:

Oh. For. God’s. Sake.

"You alluded to the fact that different people in the world might have had different experiences when you asked me where I lived, but then went on to tell me I'm incorrect about my own experiences and that my friends didn't use contraceptives to prevent their periods. "

From age 11? This was common? I simply don't believe you. Honestly. Where did your friends all get the pill from when they were 11?

I also strongly dispute that binding was well known amongst pubscent girls in the 80s / early 90s as it simply wasn't. Again, where did you grow up that young secondary school age girls knew about breast binding and were practicing it?

Do you also dispute that girls commonly starved themselves and wore baggy clothes to stave it all off? Given that they had such easy access to the pill from age 11 and could take it continuously to stop periods, and were all au fait with breast binding?

I think you are rewriting the past. I can say with certainty that the contraceptive pill was NOT freely available to 11 yo in the UK in the late 80s, that advice was VERY scare tactic-y around taking it continuously, and that breast binding was NOT mainstream.

You can say what you want but anyone reading the thread who grew up in those days will know that the picture you are painting of girhood in the 80s / early 90s in general in the UK is inaccurate.

WHY you would choose to do this - I can only imagine to try to reduce people's shock at girls getting hormone blockers "Oh girls have always taken hormone related things around puberty" and reduce concern about breast binding "Oh girls have always done this nothing to worry about".

It IS different and it IS something to worry about.

Although starving yourself is hardly positive either.

Why is no-one looking at why so many pubescent girls are so unhappy...

Wtf.

Snibble, I feel that you're twisting my words and being deliberately obtuse in order to paint me as someone pushing the trans agenda whom you can then argue against.

I said 'when I was a teen', not 'when I was 11'.

I never said breast binding was mainstream when I was growing up, I said it was mainstream in Elizabethan times.

I never disputed that some teen girls starved themselves or wear baggy jumpers - you've put words in my mouth in order to object to them but you're basically arguing with yourself as I never said that.

WHY you would choose to do this - I can only imagine to try to reduce people's shock at girls getting hormone blockers

You seem quite paranoid about my motives when all I said was that taking hormones to stop periods and breast binding aren't new things. I'm not part of some conspiracy against you and it's clear from all the words you're putting in my mouth that you just want some strawman punchbag to be angry at. My comment wasn't a personal slight against you - I was just adding my experience to the conversation and I've as much right to do that as you.