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to be absolutely gutted that my husband said this

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creepymumweirdo · 18/03/2018 08:32

He doesn't find me "aesthetically pleasing" any more.

This is massively outing but I'm beyond caring...

I'm 34. We have a 2 year old. When my husband and I met I was a size 8/10. Now I'm a size 14/16. It's mostly around my middle, arms and massive boobs.

When my son was born I nearly died. I lost 3 litres of blood and woke up in intensive care. That was the beginning of a litany of disasters that saw me having four major operations in three months and ultimately resulted in a radical hysterectomy. I've had a premature menopause. I'm on antidepressants for PTSD and I take HRT.

Before we had our son we relocated to the part of the UK that my husband is from. I was for the move but it's not worked out as we had planned. We can't afford the house and standard of living that we thought we would. Money is really tight. He has his mum and friends from school within spitting distance. I've not made any proper friends. This has started to improve lately.

All things considered, I think I'm doing a blinding job of keeping my shit together. I have a decent part time job. I dress well. I'm interested and excited by the world. I'm passionate and enthusiastic about things. Our son is an absolute joy and I'm a good mum to him. I worked really hard to seek out some good talking therapy about what happened when my son was born (not easy to access on the NHS) and it's been proving really helpful.

This has prompted my husband and I to have some interesting, sometimes difficult but mostly productive conversations lately. I guess that's pretty normal when you're reflecting on a difficult and defining time in your life. We had one of these conversations last night, basically about our sex life. After much beating about the bush he confirmed what I have suspected for a while: that he doesn't find me physically attractive any more. "Aesthetically pleasing" were his words.

I'm trying to be understanding and rational but I'm actually devastated by this. I've worked so hard get life back on track, be a good mum and regain myself, provide for our family and keep our home running. I'm a fair bit heavier than I used to be but it's not a phenomenal transformation. I don't particularly like it but I'm trying to be kind to myself and accept myself as I am so I can change the things I don't like in a positive way rather than out of self loathing. I feel like these things don't mean anything to him.

Frankly (at the risk of sounding arrogant) I'm inclined to think he should be massively impressed that my body kept me alive and that I've achieved everything I have in the last two years despite some pretty life changing set backs. Instead I cant help but think he just looks at the extra weight and sees failure.

He said he still loves me, and fancies me because I'm me, but doesn't want sex much any more. Should this be enough? Should I think myself lucky? I want to be a sexual person again. I'm only 34!

Even if I lost the weight and (more importantly in my opinion) got fitter again, which I hope to do in my own time, I think I'll always feel that his physical affection for me is conditional. I can't help but feel a bit disappointed that the desire of the man that I pledged myself to for the rest of my life is so based on how thin I am. I certainly don't want to give myself to him any more. I don't see how I can get past this.

Sorry this was son long.

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Lilifer · 18/03/2018 13:24

It's not the fact that his desire has been affected by the OPs weight gain, it's the fucking weasel words I would take issue with , the phrase "aesthetically pleasing" is cold and detached and almost as if he is referring to an object, a sofa or a painting for eg not his wife, partner, mother of his child.

The words he chose are indicative of something troubling, a massive lack of sensitivity respect and genuine affection.

You can be honest without being so damn hurtful.

fannyfelcher · 18/03/2018 13:24

I am kind of on your husbands side on this one. He has been honest with you, which takes massive amounts of courage and show that he is truly committed to not only helping you work through these issues, but ensuring you both come through it together.

I love my husband deeply. The idea of loosing him sends darts of panic through my chest. But he is 18 years older than me. We have been together for 16 years now. I am not anywhere near as physically attracted to him as I was when we met, while he is still thrilled to bits with his much younger wife. But that doesn't mean our marriage suffers because of it. I do not have much of a sex drive these days due to autoimmune issues but we have a very healthy love life. It is more about the intimacy than about the sex and for me it is the deepest connection I have ever had in my life. I am pretty sure he would say the same. I am 4 stone heavier than I was while he is the same. I do not expect him to still fancy the pants off me and I know that will change but it will simply evolve into a deeper emotion. I know he would walk over hot coals for me and I love him with all my heart.

Lilifer · 18/03/2018 13:27

Again I repeat, honesty is admirable and necessary in a relationship. But if you love and care about someone you frame your honest feelings in a way that is respectful of and sensitive to the feelings of your other half. You choose your words and those words can he honest and kind or honest and cruel.

Idontdowindows · 18/03/2018 13:27

Waiting I am so sorry. That is harsh and unforgivable.

Holycrapwhatnow · 18/03/2018 13:27

My DH has gained a good 4 stone after getting through a medical issue and having to take strong medication. I still love him deeply, and want to be physically close to him because he is him. But I although I still fancy HIM, I don't fancy the way he looks very much, and find the physical experience of sex less appealing, with more limits on positions and different sensations. I still tell him the truth, that I fancy him, but if he really pushed me for the detail like it sounds like you did with your DH then after 'beating around the bush' I'd either have to lie or, because honesty is important to us, say something along the lines of what your DH did.

You sound amazing.
However it sounds like he says that he still loves and fancies you for the great person you are. It took a lot of pushing for him to make the comment on the way you look.
This doesn't mean you need to make any changes at all, if it isn't what you want, but also doesn't make him a bastard.

TatianaLarina · 18/03/2018 13:32

I am 4 stone heavier than I was while he is the same

So in other words you’ve put on a shedload more weight than the OP, but your DH is so old he doesn’t care. If you had no love life and he told you it’s because you’re ot ‘aesthetically pleasing’ being a bit fat now, I suspect you’d feel the same as the OP.

Bluntness100 · 18/03/2018 13:32

Op, no matter how many women get abusive on here about him the reality is the overwhelming majority of men are turned on by the visual. And certain type of visuals turn them on, others not so much. Whether they are honest with their partners about that or not.

He has said he loves you and desires you for you, and clearly your negative reaction is not unusual. Plenty of women posting here they would react the same or worse if their husbands were remotely honest with them about how their weight gain impacted their physical attractiveness.

I would think of the positive. He loves you. He desires you for you whatever your weight. He is honest with you when you badger him on it and doesn't lie like some would or need to.

He can't change what he is physically attracted to. I'm sure if he could he would. You need to accept he is no different from the vast majority of men, he simply doesn't lie to you and throw you a bone occassionally.

seventh · 18/03/2018 13:33

I really really really do try to see both sides if I can and your DH is , of course , entitled to a changing opinion of any description.... but fuck me , he sounds like a cunt.

Even if half of what you've told us is true, you sound like a bloody amazing woman.

Men astound me. Not all men, of course, but some of them are sock puppet wankstains.

seventh · 18/03/2018 13:37

You're right @Bluntness100 , of course...truth be told I find you often are 👍

But lord - aesthetically pleasing?? What the actual? Sounds beyond pompous 🤪

HonkyWonkWoman · 18/03/2018 13:38

cleofatra, how you treat your Dh made me smile. Don't ever change how you are. That is real true love!

cleofatra · 18/03/2018 13:38

People who are intent on explaining that "men are turned on by visuals"...do you not think you will be having sex in your 80's?

cleofatra · 18/03/2018 13:39

Thanks honkytonkwoman . Kindness goes a long way :)

TatianaLarina · 18/03/2018 13:42

Op, no matter how many women get abusive on here about him the reality is the overwhelming majority of men are turned on by the visual.

Oh god not this bollocks. Women parrot ‘men are turned on by the visual’.

Everyone responds to appearances on some level. Men have got away with being shallow because there more goodlooking women in the world than there are really goodlooking men, and until recently they ran the show to suit them.

Women like very goodlooking men too but they have to be more philosophic as to the nature of men’s charms otherwise they will never get laid.

Finnyhaddock · 18/03/2018 13:45

The man has been honest. It’s hurtful but truthful... he still fancies OP. There is no man alive who wouldn’t prefer a young sexy thing to an older woman. Men are very visual.
That’s life.
OP I think you should just put his comment ‘to bed’ and if I were you, with hindsight would avoid asking such questions. Some things are best left unsaid.

welliesandbuttons · 18/03/2018 13:45

People, and relationships, are tough things. We want the truth, but not the whole truth, we want everything to stay same, yet everything always changes - And we would be unhappy if they didn't.

You are not being unreasonable feeling hurt or sad by what your DH said, any one would! But I think it would be unreasonable to hold it against him. Truthful, honest, deep conversations only work if they are exactly that.

My perception of DH changes all the time, sometimes (often) he is hot as hell, sometimes his haircut looks a little daft, and when I was pregnant with DC he got a little "chubby". My feelings towards DH never change, I always love him to bits no matter what. And I know it is the same the other way around - And would far rather prefer him to love me, but think I was getting a bit podgy, than to love my looks and not the rest of me.

Regarding sex - For me it goes both ways, and being sexy is lots of things. So maybe he isn't in a sexy mood with you at the moment, then maybe you should help him? And I am not saying loose weight and become a sex model to turn him on, I am saying that maybe something else is lacking - Maybe he feels a little left out, whilst you've been busy being mummy, and looking after yourself, maybe a simple "DH day" with a foot rub and lots of attention can spark it up again - I know it would here! Or inviting him to something new and exciting in the bedroom. Both can often make you see the other in a new light, and find new sexy things about them.

You can't undo what he said - But you can change your perception of it! "He said that I don't look the same as I did some time ago - Most people don't, especially after babies, but he still loves me, he is still with me, and he is honest! So any compliments given from now on, I know to take to heart, because they will be truthful"

Bluntness100 · 18/03/2018 13:46

Seventh, yes I agree the words were weird, but I do wonder if he was being backed into a corner and was struggling to find the right way to say it nicely. She specifically states there was much beating about the bush. And he contextualised it saying he loved her and desired her for her.

Sometimes if someone we love pesters us for the truth, it's hard to find the right words. I don't think there is any words he could have used that would have been acceptable to admit it to her. He was always on to a loser and she was always going to be angry. It was a no win situation, because lying is also not a win. It's just a game of pretend.

TatianaLarina · 18/03/2018 13:47

He desires you for you whatever your weight

No he doesnt. They discussed their sex life, OP had sensed for a while that he doesn’t find her physically attractive any more, and he confirmed that: ‘aesthetically pleasing’ were his choice of words.

creepymumweirdo · 18/03/2018 13:51

^^ I second this. That's abusive. Unless he said it with a cuddle and a slap on the bum. Which from your post waiting I doubt.

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Bluntness100 · 18/03/2018 13:51

Tatiana, she specifically states he told her he desires her for her.

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 18/03/2018 13:59

creepymumweirdo
sorry, I think my posts were not clear.
replying to you, I said that people cannot force their physical attraction. Your DH should not have said it, but I can understand what he feels.

My posts about being shape were not directed to you, sorry, I was replying to posters who pretend that once you have kids, and have gone through the menopause, that's it, you're done, your body is irremediably damaged. I was telling them that it's not true at all, and I see examples in my daily life that it is not true, and it's not about being photoshopped or fake. If you want to get your body back, you can.

I am sorry if it ended up sounding like I am blaming you for having put on weight. I was only replying to the pessimist and bitter crap about any hope of feeling good about yourself being over. Your baby is only 2 years old, that's not that much at all.

Ruffian · 18/03/2018 14:00

she specifically states he told her he desires her for her.

But he doesn't desire her and that's the OP's problem! She wants to feel desired and to have a sexual/sensual relationship with her partner and they haven't got one.

Bluesmartiesarebest · 18/03/2018 14:01

I don't think I could ever be intimate with a man who told me I wasn't 'aesthetically pleasing', whatever he meant by it. Your DH can never unsay those words so it may take a long time to get past this and nobody would blame you if you can never forgive him. I'm sorry he's hurt you so much after everything you've been through recently.

starray · 18/03/2018 14:05

Is he Mr Universe? Point out all his physical deficiencies (I bet he has a few).

No, totally not on.

TatianaLarina · 18/03/2018 14:08

Tatiana, she specifically states he told her he desires her for her

But he doesn’t, that’s the point. OP sensed it before he said it.

Italiangreyhound · 18/03/2018 14:09

YANBU

"Frankly (at the risk of sounding arrogant) I'm inclined to think he should be massively impressed that my body kept me alive and that I've achieved everything I have in the last two years despite some pretty life changing set backs. Instead I cant help but think he just looks at the extra weight and sees failure."

You sound amazing.

"He said he still loves me, and fancies me because I'm me" Can you work on this together to get your sex life back on track if you want to? I've not read all the posts so if he is being abusive then don't bother to do that!

But if it is just that he "...doesn't find me physically attractive any more. "Aesthetically pleasing" were his words." Can he learn to find you attractive again?

Men may be more into the visual than women but let's be honest, even if you never put on a pound in your life, you will age, as we all will. And part of dealing realistically with life is to adjust ourselves and our expectations to a world where we and all the people we love are aging.

You sound amazing, he is lucky to have you, maybe he can learn to see you differently. not that you will be different but his expectations will be. If he cannot, sadly, he will confirm he is a knob. Like all the other knobs who end up with much younger women. Shallow as a puddle.

I don't believe we have to be stuck in this kind of shallow mentality in life but we may need to work to change it, to be happy.